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Is this Half dragon Quaggoth Balanced



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This is going to be an early boss for my upcoming campaign. I have 7 5th level players, and this fight is meant to challenge them quite a bit. There will also be a few minions.



The story is that this quagoth found a dying dryad and consumed her heart, this made him a sorcerer as well as giving him some druid magic. Then the cult of the dragon found him and made him a half dragon. If the players don't kill him I plan on making him an NPC later on.



I would like to know if this monster is ready to be thrown at my players. If it is too overpowered or underpowered at its current challenge rating. And what I can do to fix any balancing problems found in the stats of this monster.




Treill



Half-dragon Quaggoth Thonot (4th level sorcerer)



Armor Class: 16 (permanent Barkskin)



Hit points: 48



Str (16; +3) Dex (12; +1) Con (16; +3) Int (8; -1) Wis (12; +1) Cha (14; +2)



Saving Throws: Str +6, Con +6



Senses: Treill has blindsight out to 10 ft, and darkvision out to 180 ft.



Challenge: 7



Wounded Fury. While he has 10 hit points or fewer, Treill has advantage on attack rolls. In addition, he deals an extra 7 (2d6) damage to any target he hits with a melee attack.



Lighting resistance.



Multiattack. The quaggoth makes two claw attacks.



Claw Attack. Melee Weapon Attack: + 5 to hit, reach 5 ft., 1 target. Hit: 5 (1d6 + 3) slashing damage.



Lighting breath Recharge (5-6). Treill can use his action to exhale destructive energy. Each creature in a in a 5 by 30 ft. line must make a Dexterity saving throw or take 24 (7d6) lighting damage, or half as much on a successful save.



Spellcasting. Treill is a 4th level caster, his casting ability is Charisma. DC 13, +5 to hit with spell attacks.



Cantrips (at will) firebolt, sword burst, poison spray, predestination, Toll the Dead.



1st level (3 slots): color spray, magic missile, shield.



2nd level (2 slots): Invisibility, spider climb.



Innate spellcasting Thonot DC 12. +4 to hit.



At will : Mage hand, Feather fall.



1/day Cure wounds, enlarge/reduce, heat metal, mirror image.



Magic initiate (druid) DC 12, +4 to hit with spell attacks.



Cantrips: Thorn whip, druidcraft



1/day: healing word











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This is going to be an early boss for my upcoming campaign. I have 7 5th level players, and this fight is meant to challenge them quite a bit. There will also be a few minions.



The story is that this quagoth found a dying dryad and consumed her heart, this made him a sorcerer as well as giving him some druid magic. Then the cult of the dragon found him and made him a half dragon. If the players don't kill him I plan on making him an NPC later on.



I would like to know if this monster is ready to be thrown at my players. If it is too overpowered or underpowered at its current challenge rating. And what I can do to fix any balancing problems found in the stats of this monster.




Treill



Half-dragon Quaggoth Thonot (4th level sorcerer)



Armor Class: 16 (permanent Barkskin)



Hit points: 48



Str (16; +3) Dex (12; +1) Con (16; +3) Int (8; -1) Wis (12; +1) Cha (14; +2)



Saving Throws: Str +6, Con +6



Senses: Treill has blindsight out to 10 ft, and darkvision out to 180 ft.



Challenge: 7



Wounded Fury. While he has 10 hit points or fewer, Treill has advantage on attack rolls. In addition, he deals an extra 7 (2d6) damage to any target he hits with a melee attack.



Lighting resistance.



Multiattack. The quaggoth makes two claw attacks.



Claw Attack. Melee Weapon Attack: + 5 to hit, reach 5 ft., 1 target. Hit: 5 (1d6 + 3) slashing damage.



Lighting breath Recharge (5-6). Treill can use his action to exhale destructive energy. Each creature in a in a 5 by 30 ft. line must make a Dexterity saving throw or take 24 (7d6) lighting damage, or half as much on a successful save.



Spellcasting. Treill is a 4th level caster, his casting ability is Charisma. DC 13, +5 to hit with spell attacks.



Cantrips (at will) firebolt, sword burst, poison spray, predestination, Toll the Dead.



1st level (3 slots): color spray, magic missile, shield.



2nd level (2 slots): Invisibility, spider climb.



Innate spellcasting Thonot DC 12. +4 to hit.



At will : Mage hand, Feather fall.



1/day Cure wounds, enlarge/reduce, heat metal, mirror image.



Magic initiate (druid) DC 12, +4 to hit with spell attacks.



Cantrips: Thorn whip, druidcraft



1/day: healing word











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    To truely balance the encounter, you should consider the Action Economy as well. Will the Boss Monster presented here be the only enemy? Or will there be underlings in the combat as well? These things have a HUGE impact on encounter balance.
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This is going to be an early boss for my upcoming campaign. I have 7 5th level players, and this fight is meant to challenge them quite a bit. There will also be a few minions.



The story is that this quagoth found a dying dryad and consumed her heart, this made him a sorcerer as well as giving him some druid magic. Then the cult of the dragon found him and made him a half dragon. If the players don't kill him I plan on making him an NPC later on.



I would like to know if this monster is ready to be thrown at my players. If it is too overpowered or underpowered at its current challenge rating. And what I can do to fix any balancing problems found in the stats of this monster.




Treill



Half-dragon Quaggoth Thonot (4th level sorcerer)



Armor Class: 16 (permanent Barkskin)



Hit points: 48



Str (16; +3) Dex (12; +1) Con (16; +3) Int (8; -1) Wis (12; +1) Cha (14; +2)



Saving Throws: Str +6, Con +6



Senses: Treill has blindsight out to 10 ft, and darkvision out to 180 ft.



Challenge: 7



Wounded Fury. While he has 10 hit points or fewer, Treill has advantage on attack rolls. In addition, he deals an extra 7 (2d6) damage to any target he hits with a melee attack.



Lighting resistance.



Multiattack. The quaggoth makes two claw attacks.



Claw Attack. Melee Weapon Attack: + 5 to hit, reach 5 ft., 1 target. Hit: 5 (1d6 + 3) slashing damage.



Lighting breath Recharge (5-6). Treill can use his action to exhale destructive energy. Each creature in a in a 5 by 30 ft. line must make a Dexterity saving throw or take 24 (7d6) lighting damage, or half as much on a successful save.



Spellcasting. Treill is a 4th level caster, his casting ability is Charisma. DC 13, +5 to hit with spell attacks.



Cantrips (at will) firebolt, sword burst, poison spray, predestination, Toll the Dead.



1st level (3 slots): color spray, magic missile, shield.



2nd level (2 slots): Invisibility, spider climb.



Innate spellcasting Thonot DC 12. +4 to hit.



At will : Mage hand, Feather fall.



1/day Cure wounds, enlarge/reduce, heat metal, mirror image.



Magic initiate (druid) DC 12, +4 to hit with spell attacks.



Cantrips: Thorn whip, druidcraft



1/day: healing word











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This is going to be an early boss for my upcoming campaign. I have 7 5th level players, and this fight is meant to challenge them quite a bit. There will also be a few minions.



The story is that this quagoth found a dying dryad and consumed her heart, this made him a sorcerer as well as giving him some druid magic. Then the cult of the dragon found him and made him a half dragon. If the players don't kill him I plan on making him an NPC later on.



I would like to know if this monster is ready to be thrown at my players. If it is too overpowered or underpowered at its current challenge rating. And what I can do to fix any balancing problems found in the stats of this monster.




Treill



Half-dragon Quaggoth Thonot (4th level sorcerer)



Armor Class: 16 (permanent Barkskin)



Hit points: 48



Str (16; +3) Dex (12; +1) Con (16; +3) Int (8; -1) Wis (12; +1) Cha (14; +2)



Saving Throws: Str +6, Con +6



Senses: Treill has blindsight out to 10 ft, and darkvision out to 180 ft.



Challenge: 7



Wounded Fury. While he has 10 hit points or fewer, Treill has advantage on attack rolls. In addition, he deals an extra 7 (2d6) damage to any target he hits with a melee attack.



Lighting resistance.



Multiattack. The quaggoth makes two claw attacks.



Claw Attack. Melee Weapon Attack: + 5 to hit, reach 5 ft., 1 target. Hit: 5 (1d6 + 3) slashing damage.



Lighting breath Recharge (5-6). Treill can use his action to exhale destructive energy. Each creature in a in a 5 by 30 ft. line must make a Dexterity saving throw or take 24 (7d6) lighting damage, or half as much on a successful save.



Spellcasting. Treill is a 4th level caster, his casting ability is Charisma. DC 13, +5 to hit with spell attacks.



Cantrips (at will) firebolt, sword burst, poison spray, predestination, Toll the Dead.



1st level (3 slots): color spray, magic missile, shield.



2nd level (2 slots): Invisibility, spider climb.



Innate spellcasting Thonot DC 12. +4 to hit.



At will : Mage hand, Feather fall.



1/day Cure wounds, enlarge/reduce, heat metal, mirror image.



Magic initiate (druid) DC 12, +4 to hit with spell attacks.



Cantrips: Thorn whip, druidcraft



1/day: healing word








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    To truely balance the encounter, you should consider the Action Economy as well. Will the Boss Monster presented here be the only enemy? Or will there be underlings in the combat as well? These things have a HUGE impact on encounter balance.
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    Please don't edit your post to change the creature's stats after people have answered, invalidating existing answers. Instead, make a new post asking if the revised stats are balanced, if needed. Relevant metas: How can I ask a good homebrew review question?, Can we develop a system to avoid/discourage subsequent homebrew critique question edits?
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This would not be a real challenge for 3 characters



Your creature is about CR2. 3 moderately optimizer characters would rip it apart in 2 rounds. Against 7, it should not last a round.



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You say you want to challenge your players, this sounds like at least a Hard encounter, 5250 XP for 7 players. For a single creature it is CR9.



DMG says (page 274), such a creature should have AC 16, attack bonus 7, HP 191-205, damage 57-62.

Your's is very far behind everything but AC. On damage and HP it is downright crippled, a CR1 is supposed to have more HP.






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No, this monster is much too weak for CR7.



The guidelines tell us that a CR7 monster is expected to have AC 15 and 161-175hp, with 45-50 damage per round (averaged over three rounds) at +6 to hit (or DC15 save). Of course individual monsters will vary, but your monster has far too few hit points and also does not deal enough damage.



There's a table in the DMG (p. 274) with this information.






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This would not be a real challenge for 3 characters



Your creature is about CR2. 3 moderately optimizer characters would rip it apart in 2 rounds. Against 7, it should not last a round.



How it should look



You say you want to challenge your players, this sounds like at least a Hard encounter, 5250 XP for 7 players. For a single creature it is CR9.



DMG says (page 274), such a creature should have AC 16, attack bonus 7, HP 191-205, damage 57-62.

Your's is very far behind everything but AC. On damage and HP it is downright crippled, a CR1 is supposed to have more HP.






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This would not be a real challenge for 3 characters



Your creature is about CR2. 3 moderately optimizer characters would rip it apart in 2 rounds. Against 7, it should not last a round.



How it should look



You say you want to challenge your players, this sounds like at least a Hard encounter, 5250 XP for 7 players. For a single creature it is CR9.



DMG says (page 274), such a creature should have AC 16, attack bonus 7, HP 191-205, damage 57-62.

Your's is very far behind everything but AC. On damage and HP it is downright crippled, a CR1 is supposed to have more HP.






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This would not be a real challenge for 3 characters



Your creature is about CR2. 3 moderately optimizer characters would rip it apart in 2 rounds. Against 7, it should not last a round.



How it should look



You say you want to challenge your players, this sounds like at least a Hard encounter, 5250 XP for 7 players. For a single creature it is CR9.



DMG says (page 274), such a creature should have AC 16, attack bonus 7, HP 191-205, damage 57-62.

Your's is very far behind everything but AC. On damage and HP it is downright crippled, a CR1 is supposed to have more HP.






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This would not be a real challenge for 3 characters



Your creature is about CR2. 3 moderately optimizer characters would rip it apart in 2 rounds. Against 7, it should not last a round.



How it should look



You say you want to challenge your players, this sounds like at least a Hard encounter, 5250 XP for 7 players. For a single creature it is CR9.



DMG says (page 274), such a creature should have AC 16, attack bonus 7, HP 191-205, damage 57-62.

Your's is very far behind everything but AC. On damage and HP it is downright crippled, a CR1 is supposed to have more HP.







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No, this monster is much too weak for CR7.



The guidelines tell us that a CR7 monster is expected to have AC 15 and 161-175hp, with 45-50 damage per round (averaged over three rounds) at +6 to hit (or DC15 save). Of course individual monsters will vary, but your monster has far too few hit points and also does not deal enough damage.



There's a table in the DMG (p. 274) with this information.






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No, this monster is much too weak for CR7.



The guidelines tell us that a CR7 monster is expected to have AC 15 and 161-175hp, with 45-50 damage per round (averaged over three rounds) at +6 to hit (or DC15 save). Of course individual monsters will vary, but your monster has far too few hit points and also does not deal enough damage.



There's a table in the DMG (p. 274) with this information.






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No, this monster is much too weak for CR7.



The guidelines tell us that a CR7 monster is expected to have AC 15 and 161-175hp, with 45-50 damage per round (averaged over three rounds) at +6 to hit (or DC15 save). Of course individual monsters will vary, but your monster has far too few hit points and also does not deal enough damage.



There's a table in the DMG (p. 274) with this information.






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No, this monster is much too weak for CR7.



The guidelines tell us that a CR7 monster is expected to have AC 15 and 161-175hp, with 45-50 damage per round (averaged over three rounds) at +6 to hit (or DC15 save). Of course individual monsters will vary, but your monster has far too few hit points and also does not deal enough damage.



There's a table in the DMG (p. 274) with this information.







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  • $begingroup$
    That online web tool is reduplicating non-SRD content - specifically the Monster Statistics By Challenge Rating table from the DMG - so it has been edited out of the answer.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
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    That online web tool is reduplicating non-SRD content - specifically the Monster Statistics By Challenge Rating table from the DMG - so it has been edited out of the answer.
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That online web tool is reduplicating non-SRD content - specifically the Monster Statistics By Challenge Rating table from the DMG - so it has been edited out of the answer.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
2 hours ago




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That online web tool is reduplicating non-SRD content - specifically the Monster Statistics By Challenge Rating table from the DMG - so it has been edited out of the answer.
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