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This is the first fret of the guitar
I have trouble playing barre chords and when I play open chords my fingers get sore easily.
I have friends that play guitar and they said that it's hard to press.
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This is the first fret of the guitar
I have trouble playing barre chords and when I play open chords my fingers get sore easily.
I have friends that play guitar and they said that it's hard to press.
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i'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
– Tetsujin
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If you press a string down onto both the first and highest fret, how much distance is there between the string and the frets halfway up the neck?
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This is the first fret of the guitar
I have trouble playing barre chords and when I play open chords my fingers get sore easily.
I have friends that play guitar and they said that it's hard to press.
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This is the first fret of the guitar
I have trouble playing barre chords and when I play open chords my fingers get sore easily.
I have friends that play guitar and they said that it's hard to press.
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i'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
– Tetsujin
5 hours ago
1
If you press a string down onto both the first and highest fret, how much distance is there between the string and the frets halfway up the neck?
– Your Uncle Bob
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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i'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
– Tetsujin
5 hours ago
1
If you press a string down onto both the first and highest fret, how much distance is there between the string and the frets halfway up the neck?
– Your Uncle Bob
4 hours ago
2
2
i'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
– Tetsujin
5 hours ago
i'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
– Tetsujin
5 hours ago
1
1
If you press a string down onto both the first and highest fret, how much distance is there between the string and the frets halfway up the neck?
– Your Uncle Bob
4 hours ago
If you press a string down onto both the first and highest fret, how much distance is there between the string and the frets halfway up the neck?
– Your Uncle Bob
4 hours ago
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I'm porting this to the answer space just to have somewhere to hang the photo...
It doesn't really constitute an answer, though it could become one once we have more info.
I'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
Quick snap of one of my 6-strings & the bass it just happened to be leaning against, showing a much 'flatter' slope to the action as it progresses up the neck.
Should I offer prizes for the first person to correctly identify both? ;)
As noted elsewhere - the issue could be the neck relief [ie, the amount of curve it has in it] or it could be the overall action at the bridge is set too high... or indeed a little of both.
I'd be hesitant to cut the nut any further, it already looks slightly deeper than optimum to me.
The guitar is custom-built from a mantelpiece, and the bass is a Yamaha YEP842.
– Adam Barnes
3 hours ago
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@AdamBarnes - the prize is, as yet, unclaimed :P
– Tetsujin
3 hours ago
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It does look high. This could be due to a couple of factors.
The neck may be bent. All guitar necks have a slight bend in them - it's called relief - to stop the strings buzzing on any frets. But too much relief will give your symptoms, and is remedied in part by tightening the trussrod. Not recommended to be done by the inexperienced.
The action may simply be high due to the saddles/bridge being too high. On a lot of guitars, the bridge has a couple of adjusting screws that lower and raise the whole bridge. Others have individual saddles which are adjustable for each string's height. Some have a bridge that cannot be altered except by shaving some off it.
Without a view of the whole of the neck, it's difficult to say more, but lower guage strings often help, as they are not under so much tension, thus being easier to fret. Last resort would be deepen the nut slots, but not particularly recommended.
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Only you can determine if the string action is too high. Lowering the action can give problems with string buzz, and especially if you are striking the strings hard. But give it a go to lower the action. The guitar gets easier to play with lower action.
Another thing you could try is to just change to thinner strings. Thicker strings gives more tuning stability and a slightly heavier sound, but they also makes it harder to play.
But yeah, from the picture I'd say that the action is VERY high. You probably should make the groves in the nut deeper.
What is it about thinner strings and tuning stability? I use .008s and have no problems.
– Tim
5 hours ago
@Tim The lower the tension, the less stable the tuning is. If you play really hard, thin strings may become a problem. If you want to investigate this effect, try to tune a string down a fifth or so and see how easy it is to bend. You will bend the note by just pressing it to hard against the fretboard.
– Broman
5 hours ago
In best part of 50 yrs with such strings, and a very good action on all my guitars, I suppose I've learnt not to press harder than necessary, and my playing is in tune. So, it's not the tuning that's out in your statement, it's more the propensity for a player to play it out of tune.
– Tim
5 hours ago
Yes you are right. It's not so much about the guitar going out of tune, but more that it effects your ability to play in tune.
– Broman
5 hours ago
1
@Tim It's simple physics. The formula is f=sqrt(T/d)/2L where f is the frequency, T is the tension, d is the linear density and L is the length of the string. With higher linear density is, a certain change in tension will have less effect on the frequency.
– Broman
5 hours ago
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That height is definitely not a nut issue, the nut looks low enough. Have you had anyone help you set the neck bow? How is your bridge height? You could try adjusting the neck first and then the bridge height second. Another option, not sure what gauage strings you are using but you could try a lighter set. I know at least one string maker ( i think ernie ball) makes a set with lighter bass strings and heavier small strings. I liked the sound and feel of that set. They are a lot easier on your fingers.
Or like some of us have done, suck it up and keep playing until your fingers build enough callous that you don't feel anything anymore :P
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I'm porting this to the answer space just to have somewhere to hang the photo...
It doesn't really constitute an answer, though it could become one once we have more info.
I'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
Quick snap of one of my 6-strings & the bass it just happened to be leaning against, showing a much 'flatter' slope to the action as it progresses up the neck.
Should I offer prizes for the first person to correctly identify both? ;)
As noted elsewhere - the issue could be the neck relief [ie, the amount of curve it has in it] or it could be the overall action at the bridge is set too high... or indeed a little of both.
I'd be hesitant to cut the nut any further, it already looks slightly deeper than optimum to me.
The guitar is custom-built from a mantelpiece, and the bass is a Yamaha YEP842.
– Adam Barnes
3 hours ago
1
@AdamBarnes - the prize is, as yet, unclaimed :P
– Tetsujin
3 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm porting this to the answer space just to have somewhere to hang the photo...
It doesn't really constitute an answer, though it could become one once we have more info.
I'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
Quick snap of one of my 6-strings & the bass it just happened to be leaning against, showing a much 'flatter' slope to the action as it progresses up the neck.
Should I offer prizes for the first person to correctly identify both? ;)
As noted elsewhere - the issue could be the neck relief [ie, the amount of curve it has in it] or it could be the overall action at the bridge is set too high... or indeed a little of both.
I'd be hesitant to cut the nut any further, it already looks slightly deeper than optimum to me.
The guitar is custom-built from a mantelpiece, and the bass is a Yamaha YEP842.
– Adam Barnes
3 hours ago
1
@AdamBarnes - the prize is, as yet, unclaimed :P
– Tetsujin
3 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm porting this to the answer space just to have somewhere to hang the photo...
It doesn't really constitute an answer, though it could become one once we have more info.
I'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
Quick snap of one of my 6-strings & the bass it just happened to be leaning against, showing a much 'flatter' slope to the action as it progresses up the neck.
Should I offer prizes for the first person to correctly identify both? ;)
As noted elsewhere - the issue could be the neck relief [ie, the amount of curve it has in it] or it could be the overall action at the bridge is set too high... or indeed a little of both.
I'd be hesitant to cut the nut any further, it already looks slightly deeper than optimum to me.
I'm porting this to the answer space just to have somewhere to hang the photo...
It doesn't really constitute an answer, though it could become one once we have more info.
I'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
Quick snap of one of my 6-strings & the bass it just happened to be leaning against, showing a much 'flatter' slope to the action as it progresses up the neck.
Should I offer prizes for the first person to correctly identify both? ;)
As noted elsewhere - the issue could be the neck relief [ie, the amount of curve it has in it] or it could be the overall action at the bridge is set too high... or indeed a little of both.
I'd be hesitant to cut the nut any further, it already looks slightly deeper than optimum to me.
answered 4 hours ago
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The guitar is custom-built from a mantelpiece, and the bass is a Yamaha YEP842.
– Adam Barnes
3 hours ago
1
@AdamBarnes - the prize is, as yet, unclaimed :P
– Tetsujin
3 hours ago
add a comment |
The guitar is custom-built from a mantelpiece, and the bass is a Yamaha YEP842.
– Adam Barnes
3 hours ago
1
@AdamBarnes - the prize is, as yet, unclaimed :P
– Tetsujin
3 hours ago
The guitar is custom-built from a mantelpiece, and the bass is a Yamaha YEP842.
– Adam Barnes
3 hours ago
The guitar is custom-built from a mantelpiece, and the bass is a Yamaha YEP842.
– Adam Barnes
3 hours ago
1
1
@AdamBarnes - the prize is, as yet, unclaimed :P
– Tetsujin
3 hours ago
@AdamBarnes - the prize is, as yet, unclaimed :P
– Tetsujin
3 hours ago
add a comment |
It does look high. This could be due to a couple of factors.
The neck may be bent. All guitar necks have a slight bend in them - it's called relief - to stop the strings buzzing on any frets. But too much relief will give your symptoms, and is remedied in part by tightening the trussrod. Not recommended to be done by the inexperienced.
The action may simply be high due to the saddles/bridge being too high. On a lot of guitars, the bridge has a couple of adjusting screws that lower and raise the whole bridge. Others have individual saddles which are adjustable for each string's height. Some have a bridge that cannot be altered except by shaving some off it.
Without a view of the whole of the neck, it's difficult to say more, but lower guage strings often help, as they are not under so much tension, thus being easier to fret. Last resort would be deepen the nut slots, but not particularly recommended.
add a comment |
It does look high. This could be due to a couple of factors.
The neck may be bent. All guitar necks have a slight bend in them - it's called relief - to stop the strings buzzing on any frets. But too much relief will give your symptoms, and is remedied in part by tightening the trussrod. Not recommended to be done by the inexperienced.
The action may simply be high due to the saddles/bridge being too high. On a lot of guitars, the bridge has a couple of adjusting screws that lower and raise the whole bridge. Others have individual saddles which are adjustable for each string's height. Some have a bridge that cannot be altered except by shaving some off it.
Without a view of the whole of the neck, it's difficult to say more, but lower guage strings often help, as they are not under so much tension, thus being easier to fret. Last resort would be deepen the nut slots, but not particularly recommended.
add a comment |
It does look high. This could be due to a couple of factors.
The neck may be bent. All guitar necks have a slight bend in them - it's called relief - to stop the strings buzzing on any frets. But too much relief will give your symptoms, and is remedied in part by tightening the trussrod. Not recommended to be done by the inexperienced.
The action may simply be high due to the saddles/bridge being too high. On a lot of guitars, the bridge has a couple of adjusting screws that lower and raise the whole bridge. Others have individual saddles which are adjustable for each string's height. Some have a bridge that cannot be altered except by shaving some off it.
Without a view of the whole of the neck, it's difficult to say more, but lower guage strings often help, as they are not under so much tension, thus being easier to fret. Last resort would be deepen the nut slots, but not particularly recommended.
It does look high. This could be due to a couple of factors.
The neck may be bent. All guitar necks have a slight bend in them - it's called relief - to stop the strings buzzing on any frets. But too much relief will give your symptoms, and is remedied in part by tightening the trussrod. Not recommended to be done by the inexperienced.
The action may simply be high due to the saddles/bridge being too high. On a lot of guitars, the bridge has a couple of adjusting screws that lower and raise the whole bridge. Others have individual saddles which are adjustable for each string's height. Some have a bridge that cannot be altered except by shaving some off it.
Without a view of the whole of the neck, it's difficult to say more, but lower guage strings often help, as they are not under so much tension, thus being easier to fret. Last resort would be deepen the nut slots, but not particularly recommended.
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Only you can determine if the string action is too high. Lowering the action can give problems with string buzz, and especially if you are striking the strings hard. But give it a go to lower the action. The guitar gets easier to play with lower action.
Another thing you could try is to just change to thinner strings. Thicker strings gives more tuning stability and a slightly heavier sound, but they also makes it harder to play.
But yeah, from the picture I'd say that the action is VERY high. You probably should make the groves in the nut deeper.
What is it about thinner strings and tuning stability? I use .008s and have no problems.
– Tim
5 hours ago
@Tim The lower the tension, the less stable the tuning is. If you play really hard, thin strings may become a problem. If you want to investigate this effect, try to tune a string down a fifth or so and see how easy it is to bend. You will bend the note by just pressing it to hard against the fretboard.
– Broman
5 hours ago
In best part of 50 yrs with such strings, and a very good action on all my guitars, I suppose I've learnt not to press harder than necessary, and my playing is in tune. So, it's not the tuning that's out in your statement, it's more the propensity for a player to play it out of tune.
– Tim
5 hours ago
Yes you are right. It's not so much about the guitar going out of tune, but more that it effects your ability to play in tune.
– Broman
5 hours ago
1
@Tim It's simple physics. The formula is f=sqrt(T/d)/2L where f is the frequency, T is the tension, d is the linear density and L is the length of the string. With higher linear density is, a certain change in tension will have less effect on the frequency.
– Broman
5 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
Only you can determine if the string action is too high. Lowering the action can give problems with string buzz, and especially if you are striking the strings hard. But give it a go to lower the action. The guitar gets easier to play with lower action.
Another thing you could try is to just change to thinner strings. Thicker strings gives more tuning stability and a slightly heavier sound, but they also makes it harder to play.
But yeah, from the picture I'd say that the action is VERY high. You probably should make the groves in the nut deeper.
What is it about thinner strings and tuning stability? I use .008s and have no problems.
– Tim
5 hours ago
@Tim The lower the tension, the less stable the tuning is. If you play really hard, thin strings may become a problem. If you want to investigate this effect, try to tune a string down a fifth or so and see how easy it is to bend. You will bend the note by just pressing it to hard against the fretboard.
– Broman
5 hours ago
In best part of 50 yrs with such strings, and a very good action on all my guitars, I suppose I've learnt not to press harder than necessary, and my playing is in tune. So, it's not the tuning that's out in your statement, it's more the propensity for a player to play it out of tune.
– Tim
5 hours ago
Yes you are right. It's not so much about the guitar going out of tune, but more that it effects your ability to play in tune.
– Broman
5 hours ago
1
@Tim It's simple physics. The formula is f=sqrt(T/d)/2L where f is the frequency, T is the tension, d is the linear density and L is the length of the string. With higher linear density is, a certain change in tension will have less effect on the frequency.
– Broman
5 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
Only you can determine if the string action is too high. Lowering the action can give problems with string buzz, and especially if you are striking the strings hard. But give it a go to lower the action. The guitar gets easier to play with lower action.
Another thing you could try is to just change to thinner strings. Thicker strings gives more tuning stability and a slightly heavier sound, but they also makes it harder to play.
But yeah, from the picture I'd say that the action is VERY high. You probably should make the groves in the nut deeper.
Only you can determine if the string action is too high. Lowering the action can give problems with string buzz, and especially if you are striking the strings hard. But give it a go to lower the action. The guitar gets easier to play with lower action.
Another thing you could try is to just change to thinner strings. Thicker strings gives more tuning stability and a slightly heavier sound, but they also makes it harder to play.
But yeah, from the picture I'd say that the action is VERY high. You probably should make the groves in the nut deeper.
answered 5 hours ago
BromanBroman
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What is it about thinner strings and tuning stability? I use .008s and have no problems.
– Tim
5 hours ago
@Tim The lower the tension, the less stable the tuning is. If you play really hard, thin strings may become a problem. If you want to investigate this effect, try to tune a string down a fifth or so and see how easy it is to bend. You will bend the note by just pressing it to hard against the fretboard.
– Broman
5 hours ago
In best part of 50 yrs with such strings, and a very good action on all my guitars, I suppose I've learnt not to press harder than necessary, and my playing is in tune. So, it's not the tuning that's out in your statement, it's more the propensity for a player to play it out of tune.
– Tim
5 hours ago
Yes you are right. It's not so much about the guitar going out of tune, but more that it effects your ability to play in tune.
– Broman
5 hours ago
1
@Tim It's simple physics. The formula is f=sqrt(T/d)/2L where f is the frequency, T is the tension, d is the linear density and L is the length of the string. With higher linear density is, a certain change in tension will have less effect on the frequency.
– Broman
5 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
What is it about thinner strings and tuning stability? I use .008s and have no problems.
– Tim
5 hours ago
@Tim The lower the tension, the less stable the tuning is. If you play really hard, thin strings may become a problem. If you want to investigate this effect, try to tune a string down a fifth or so and see how easy it is to bend. You will bend the note by just pressing it to hard against the fretboard.
– Broman
5 hours ago
In best part of 50 yrs with such strings, and a very good action on all my guitars, I suppose I've learnt not to press harder than necessary, and my playing is in tune. So, it's not the tuning that's out in your statement, it's more the propensity for a player to play it out of tune.
– Tim
5 hours ago
Yes you are right. It's not so much about the guitar going out of tune, but more that it effects your ability to play in tune.
– Broman
5 hours ago
1
@Tim It's simple physics. The formula is f=sqrt(T/d)/2L where f is the frequency, T is the tension, d is the linear density and L is the length of the string. With higher linear density is, a certain change in tension will have less effect on the frequency.
– Broman
5 hours ago
What is it about thinner strings and tuning stability? I use .008s and have no problems.
– Tim
5 hours ago
What is it about thinner strings and tuning stability? I use .008s and have no problems.
– Tim
5 hours ago
@Tim The lower the tension, the less stable the tuning is. If you play really hard, thin strings may become a problem. If you want to investigate this effect, try to tune a string down a fifth or so and see how easy it is to bend. You will bend the note by just pressing it to hard against the fretboard.
– Broman
5 hours ago
@Tim The lower the tension, the less stable the tuning is. If you play really hard, thin strings may become a problem. If you want to investigate this effect, try to tune a string down a fifth or so and see how easy it is to bend. You will bend the note by just pressing it to hard against the fretboard.
– Broman
5 hours ago
In best part of 50 yrs with such strings, and a very good action on all my guitars, I suppose I've learnt not to press harder than necessary, and my playing is in tune. So, it's not the tuning that's out in your statement, it's more the propensity for a player to play it out of tune.
– Tim
5 hours ago
In best part of 50 yrs with such strings, and a very good action on all my guitars, I suppose I've learnt not to press harder than necessary, and my playing is in tune. So, it's not the tuning that's out in your statement, it's more the propensity for a player to play it out of tune.
– Tim
5 hours ago
Yes you are right. It's not so much about the guitar going out of tune, but more that it effects your ability to play in tune.
– Broman
5 hours ago
Yes you are right. It's not so much about the guitar going out of tune, but more that it effects your ability to play in tune.
– Broman
5 hours ago
1
1
@Tim It's simple physics. The formula is f=sqrt(T/d)/2L where f is the frequency, T is the tension, d is the linear density and L is the length of the string. With higher linear density is, a certain change in tension will have less effect on the frequency.
– Broman
5 hours ago
@Tim It's simple physics. The formula is f=sqrt(T/d)/2L where f is the frequency, T is the tension, d is the linear density and L is the length of the string. With higher linear density is, a certain change in tension will have less effect on the frequency.
– Broman
5 hours ago
|
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That height is definitely not a nut issue, the nut looks low enough. Have you had anyone help you set the neck bow? How is your bridge height? You could try adjusting the neck first and then the bridge height second. Another option, not sure what gauage strings you are using but you could try a lighter set. I know at least one string maker ( i think ernie ball) makes a set with lighter bass strings and heavier small strings. I liked the sound and feel of that set. They are a lot easier on your fingers.
Or like some of us have done, suck it up and keep playing until your fingers build enough callous that you don't feel anything anymore :P
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That height is definitely not a nut issue, the nut looks low enough. Have you had anyone help you set the neck bow? How is your bridge height? You could try adjusting the neck first and then the bridge height second. Another option, not sure what gauage strings you are using but you could try a lighter set. I know at least one string maker ( i think ernie ball) makes a set with lighter bass strings and heavier small strings. I liked the sound and feel of that set. They are a lot easier on your fingers.
Or like some of us have done, suck it up and keep playing until your fingers build enough callous that you don't feel anything anymore :P
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That height is definitely not a nut issue, the nut looks low enough. Have you had anyone help you set the neck bow? How is your bridge height? You could try adjusting the neck first and then the bridge height second. Another option, not sure what gauage strings you are using but you could try a lighter set. I know at least one string maker ( i think ernie ball) makes a set with lighter bass strings and heavier small strings. I liked the sound and feel of that set. They are a lot easier on your fingers.
Or like some of us have done, suck it up and keep playing until your fingers build enough callous that you don't feel anything anymore :P
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That height is definitely not a nut issue, the nut looks low enough. Have you had anyone help you set the neck bow? How is your bridge height? You could try adjusting the neck first and then the bridge height second. Another option, not sure what gauage strings you are using but you could try a lighter set. I know at least one string maker ( i think ernie ball) makes a set with lighter bass strings and heavier small strings. I liked the sound and feel of that set. They are a lot easier on your fingers.
Or like some of us have done, suck it up and keep playing until your fingers build enough callous that you don't feel anything anymore :P
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i'd like to see another pic of more of the neck, because that is starting out at one heck of an angle; so either the neck is bent way out of true, or the action at the 12th fret is about half an inch:
– Tetsujin
5 hours ago
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If you press a string down onto both the first and highest fret, how much distance is there between the string and the frets halfway up the neck?
– Your Uncle Bob
4 hours ago