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a = [0,1,2,3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


The output is:



0
1
2
2


I'm confused about why a list index can be used as an indexing variable in a for loop.










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I have the following code:



a = [0,1,2,3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


The output is:



0
1
2
2


I'm confused about why a list index can be used as an indexing variable in a for loop.










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I have the following code:



a = [0,1,2,3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


The output is:



0
1
2
2


I'm confused about why a list index can be used as an indexing variable in a for loop.










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I have the following code:



a = [0,1,2,3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


The output is:



0
1
2
2


I'm confused about why a list index can be used as an indexing variable in a for loop.





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    – Nathan
    yesterday











  • over the iteration only the last time a[-1] gets its value, all other times python treats as iteration variable.

    – Arun Augustine
    yesterday








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    This would be a great question for an awful coding interview

    – Nathan
    yesterday






  • 2





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    – Christian Dean
    yesterday














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    yesterday






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    I don't know why you would ever want to do this, but now I know you can

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  • over the iteration only the last time a[-1] gets its value, all other times python treats as iteration variable.

    – Arun Augustine
    yesterday








  • 41





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    yesterday






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28





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– gameon67
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over the iteration only the last time a[-1] gets its value, all other times python treats as iteration variable.

– Arun Augustine
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List indexes such as a[-1] in the expression for a[-1] in a are valid as specified by the for_stmt (and specifically the target_list) grammar token, where slicing is a valid target for assignment.



"Huh? Assignment? What has that got to do with my output?"



Indeed, it has everything to do with the output and result. Let's dive into the documentation for a for-in loop:




for_stmt ::=  "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




(emphasis added)
N.B. the suite refers to the statement(s) under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.





Let's have a little fun and extend the print statement:



a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
for a[-1] in a:
print(a, a[-1])


This gives the following output:



[0, 1, 2, 0] 0    # a[-1] assigned 0
[0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
[0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
[0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2 (itself)


(comments added)



Here, a[-1] changes on each iteration and we see this change propagated to a. Again, this is possible due to slicing being a valid target.







A good argument made by Ev. Kounis regards the first sentence of the quoted doc above: "The expression list is evaluated once". Does this not imply that the expression list is static and immutable, constant at [0, 1, 2, 3]? Shouldn't a[-1] thus be assigned 3 at the final iteration?



Well, Konrad Rudolph asserts that:




No, [the expression list is] evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.




(emphasis added)



The following code demonstrates how an iterable it lazily yields elements of a list x.



x = [1, 2, 3, 4]
it = iter(x)
print(next(it)) # 1
print(next(it)) # 2
print(next(it)) # 3
x[-1] = 0
print(next(it)) # 0


(code inspired by Kounis')



If evaluation was eager, we could expect x[-1] = 0 to have zero effect on it and expect 4 to be printed. This is clearly not the case and goes to show that by the same principle, our for-loop lazily yields numbers from a following assignments to a[-1] on each iteration.






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    Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

    – Christian Dean
    yesterday






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    This answer is missing an important point, namely how the grammar defines target_list. For reasons that are utterly obscure to me, the grammar explicitly (rather than “accidentally”) allows the target list to contain slicing expressions (the syntax for the for loop simply recycles normal assignment targets, which seems odd).

    – Konrad Rudolph
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    doesn't the fact that a[-1] on the last iteration is 2 contradict the documentation in that "the expression list is evaluated once"?

    – Ev. Kounis
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    @Ev.Kounis No, it’s evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.

    – Konrad Rudolph
    yesterday






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    @KonradRudolph I see..

    – Ev. Kounis
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(This is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



If you had



x = 0
l = [1, 2, 3]
for x in l:
print(x)


you wouldn't be surprised that x is overridden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



When we do



a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.






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  • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

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The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



for n in a:
print(n)


is just a fancy way of doing:



for i in range(len(a)):
n = a[i]
print(n)


Likewise,



for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


is just a fancy way of doing:



for i in range(len(a)):
a[-1] = a[i]
print(a[-1])


where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.






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    It is an interesting question, and you can understand it by that:



    for v in a:
    a[-1] = v
    print(a[-1])

    print(a)


    actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



    Output:



    0
    1
    2
    2
    [0, 1, 2, 2]


    I hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )






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      The answer by TrebledJ explains the technical reason of why this is possible.



      Why would you want to do this though?



      Suppose I have an algorithm that operates on an array:



      x = np.arange(5)


      And I want to test the result of the algorithm using different values of the first index. I can simply skip the first value, reconstructing an array every time:



      for i in range(5):
      print(np.r[i, x[1:]].sum())


      This will create a new array on every iteration, which is not ideal, in particular if the array is large. To reuse the same memory on every iteration, I can rewrite it as:



      for i in range(5):
      x[0] = i
      print(x.sum())


      Which is probably clearer than the first version too.



      But that is exactly identical to the more compact way to write this:



      for x[0] in range(5):
      print(x.sum())


      all of the above will result in:



      10
      11
      12
      13
      14


      Now this is a trivial "algorithm", but there will be more complicated purposes where one might want to test changing a single (or multiple, but that complicating things due to assignment unpacking) value in an array to a number of values, preferably without copying the entire array. In this case, you may want to use an indexed value in a loop, but be prepared to confuse anyone maintaining your code (including yourself). For this reason, the second version explicitly assigning x[0] = i is probably preferable, but if you prefer the more compact for x[0] in range(5) style, this should be a valid use case.






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      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.






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      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

        – Amir A. Shabani
        yesterday






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        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

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      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

        – Nathan
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      • I've expanded the answer to explain more precisely how this works. Hopefully people will understand it this time.

        – Tom Karzes
        yesterday






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        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

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      List indexes such as a[-1] in the expression for a[-1] in a are valid as specified by the for_stmt (and specifically the target_list) grammar token, where slicing is a valid target for assignment.



      "Huh? Assignment? What has that got to do with my output?"



      Indeed, it has everything to do with the output and result. Let's dive into the documentation for a for-in loop:




      for_stmt ::=  "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


      The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




      (emphasis added)
      N.B. the suite refers to the statement(s) under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.





      Let's have a little fun and extend the print statement:



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a, a[-1])


      This gives the following output:



      [0, 1, 2, 0] 0    # a[-1] assigned 0
      [0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2 (itself)


      (comments added)



      Here, a[-1] changes on each iteration and we see this change propagated to a. Again, this is possible due to slicing being a valid target.







      A good argument made by Ev. Kounis regards the first sentence of the quoted doc above: "The expression list is evaluated once". Does this not imply that the expression list is static and immutable, constant at [0, 1, 2, 3]? Shouldn't a[-1] thus be assigned 3 at the final iteration?



      Well, Konrad Rudolph asserts that:




      No, [the expression list is] evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.




      (emphasis added)



      The following code demonstrates how an iterable it lazily yields elements of a list x.



      x = [1, 2, 3, 4]
      it = iter(x)
      print(next(it)) # 1
      print(next(it)) # 2
      print(next(it)) # 3
      x[-1] = 0
      print(next(it)) # 0


      (code inspired by Kounis')



      If evaluation was eager, we could expect x[-1] = 0 to have zero effect on it and expect 4 to be printed. This is clearly not the case and goes to show that by the same principle, our for-loop lazily yields numbers from a following assignments to a[-1] on each iteration.






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        Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

        – Christian Dean
        yesterday






      • 4





        This answer is missing an important point, namely how the grammar defines target_list. For reasons that are utterly obscure to me, the grammar explicitly (rather than “accidentally”) allows the target list to contain slicing expressions (the syntax for the for loop simply recycles normal assignment targets, which seems odd).

        – Konrad Rudolph
        yesterday






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        doesn't the fact that a[-1] on the last iteration is 2 contradict the documentation in that "the expression list is evaluated once"?

        – Ev. Kounis
        yesterday








      • 3





        @Ev.Kounis No, it’s evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.

        – Konrad Rudolph
        yesterday






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        @KonradRudolph I see..

        – Ev. Kounis
        yesterday
















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      List indexes such as a[-1] in the expression for a[-1] in a are valid as specified by the for_stmt (and specifically the target_list) grammar token, where slicing is a valid target for assignment.



      "Huh? Assignment? What has that got to do with my output?"



      Indeed, it has everything to do with the output and result. Let's dive into the documentation for a for-in loop:




      for_stmt ::=  "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


      The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




      (emphasis added)
      N.B. the suite refers to the statement(s) under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.





      Let's have a little fun and extend the print statement:



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a, a[-1])


      This gives the following output:



      [0, 1, 2, 0] 0    # a[-1] assigned 0
      [0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2 (itself)


      (comments added)



      Here, a[-1] changes on each iteration and we see this change propagated to a. Again, this is possible due to slicing being a valid target.







      A good argument made by Ev. Kounis regards the first sentence of the quoted doc above: "The expression list is evaluated once". Does this not imply that the expression list is static and immutable, constant at [0, 1, 2, 3]? Shouldn't a[-1] thus be assigned 3 at the final iteration?



      Well, Konrad Rudolph asserts that:




      No, [the expression list is] evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.




      (emphasis added)



      The following code demonstrates how an iterable it lazily yields elements of a list x.



      x = [1, 2, 3, 4]
      it = iter(x)
      print(next(it)) # 1
      print(next(it)) # 2
      print(next(it)) # 3
      x[-1] = 0
      print(next(it)) # 0


      (code inspired by Kounis')



      If evaluation was eager, we could expect x[-1] = 0 to have zero effect on it and expect 4 to be printed. This is clearly not the case and goes to show that by the same principle, our for-loop lazily yields numbers from a following assignments to a[-1] on each iteration.






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        Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

        – Christian Dean
        yesterday






      • 4





        This answer is missing an important point, namely how the grammar defines target_list. For reasons that are utterly obscure to me, the grammar explicitly (rather than “accidentally”) allows the target list to contain slicing expressions (the syntax for the for loop simply recycles normal assignment targets, which seems odd).

        – Konrad Rudolph
        yesterday






      • 1





        doesn't the fact that a[-1] on the last iteration is 2 contradict the documentation in that "the expression list is evaluated once"?

        – Ev. Kounis
        yesterday








      • 3





        @Ev.Kounis No, it’s evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.

        – Konrad Rudolph
        yesterday






      • 2





        @KonradRudolph I see..

        – Ev. Kounis
        yesterday














      77












      77








      77







      List indexes such as a[-1] in the expression for a[-1] in a are valid as specified by the for_stmt (and specifically the target_list) grammar token, where slicing is a valid target for assignment.



      "Huh? Assignment? What has that got to do with my output?"



      Indeed, it has everything to do with the output and result. Let's dive into the documentation for a for-in loop:




      for_stmt ::=  "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


      The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




      (emphasis added)
      N.B. the suite refers to the statement(s) under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.





      Let's have a little fun and extend the print statement:



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a, a[-1])


      This gives the following output:



      [0, 1, 2, 0] 0    # a[-1] assigned 0
      [0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2 (itself)


      (comments added)



      Here, a[-1] changes on each iteration and we see this change propagated to a. Again, this is possible due to slicing being a valid target.







      A good argument made by Ev. Kounis regards the first sentence of the quoted doc above: "The expression list is evaluated once". Does this not imply that the expression list is static and immutable, constant at [0, 1, 2, 3]? Shouldn't a[-1] thus be assigned 3 at the final iteration?



      Well, Konrad Rudolph asserts that:




      No, [the expression list is] evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.




      (emphasis added)



      The following code demonstrates how an iterable it lazily yields elements of a list x.



      x = [1, 2, 3, 4]
      it = iter(x)
      print(next(it)) # 1
      print(next(it)) # 2
      print(next(it)) # 3
      x[-1] = 0
      print(next(it)) # 0


      (code inspired by Kounis')



      If evaluation was eager, we could expect x[-1] = 0 to have zero effect on it and expect 4 to be printed. This is clearly not the case and goes to show that by the same principle, our for-loop lazily yields numbers from a following assignments to a[-1] on each iteration.






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      List indexes such as a[-1] in the expression for a[-1] in a are valid as specified by the for_stmt (and specifically the target_list) grammar token, where slicing is a valid target for assignment.



      "Huh? Assignment? What has that got to do with my output?"



      Indeed, it has everything to do with the output and result. Let's dive into the documentation for a for-in loop:




      for_stmt ::=  "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


      The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




      (emphasis added)
      N.B. the suite refers to the statement(s) under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.





      Let's have a little fun and extend the print statement:



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a, a[-1])


      This gives the following output:



      [0, 1, 2, 0] 0    # a[-1] assigned 0
      [0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2 (itself)


      (comments added)



      Here, a[-1] changes on each iteration and we see this change propagated to a. Again, this is possible due to slicing being a valid target.







      A good argument made by Ev. Kounis regards the first sentence of the quoted doc above: "The expression list is evaluated once". Does this not imply that the expression list is static and immutable, constant at [0, 1, 2, 3]? Shouldn't a[-1] thus be assigned 3 at the final iteration?



      Well, Konrad Rudolph asserts that:




      No, [the expression list is] evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.




      (emphasis added)



      The following code demonstrates how an iterable it lazily yields elements of a list x.



      x = [1, 2, 3, 4]
      it = iter(x)
      print(next(it)) # 1
      print(next(it)) # 2
      print(next(it)) # 3
      x[-1] = 0
      print(next(it)) # 0


      (code inspired by Kounis')



      If evaluation was eager, we could expect x[-1] = 0 to have zero effect on it and expect 4 to be printed. This is clearly not the case and goes to show that by the same principle, our for-loop lazily yields numbers from a following assignments to a[-1] on each iteration.







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      TrebledJTrebledJ

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        Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

        – Christian Dean
        yesterday






      • 4





        This answer is missing an important point, namely how the grammar defines target_list. For reasons that are utterly obscure to me, the grammar explicitly (rather than “accidentally”) allows the target list to contain slicing expressions (the syntax for the for loop simply recycles normal assignment targets, which seems odd).

        – Konrad Rudolph
        yesterday






      • 1





        doesn't the fact that a[-1] on the last iteration is 2 contradict the documentation in that "the expression list is evaluated once"?

        – Ev. Kounis
        yesterday








      • 3





        @Ev.Kounis No, it’s evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.

        – Konrad Rudolph
        yesterday






      • 2





        @KonradRudolph I see..

        – Ev. Kounis
        yesterday














      • 11





        Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

        – Christian Dean
        yesterday






      • 4





        This answer is missing an important point, namely how the grammar defines target_list. For reasons that are utterly obscure to me, the grammar explicitly (rather than “accidentally”) allows the target list to contain slicing expressions (the syntax for the for loop simply recycles normal assignment targets, which seems odd).

        – Konrad Rudolph
        yesterday






      • 1





        doesn't the fact that a[-1] on the last iteration is 2 contradict the documentation in that "the expression list is evaluated once"?

        – Ev. Kounis
        yesterday








      • 3





        @Ev.Kounis No, it’s evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.

        – Konrad Rudolph
        yesterday






      • 2





        @KonradRudolph I see..

        – Ev. Kounis
        yesterday








      11




      11





      Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

      – Christian Dean
      yesterday





      Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

      – Christian Dean
      yesterday




      4




      4





      This answer is missing an important point, namely how the grammar defines target_list. For reasons that are utterly obscure to me, the grammar explicitly (rather than “accidentally”) allows the target list to contain slicing expressions (the syntax for the for loop simply recycles normal assignment targets, which seems odd).

      – Konrad Rudolph
      yesterday





      This answer is missing an important point, namely how the grammar defines target_list. For reasons that are utterly obscure to me, the grammar explicitly (rather than “accidentally”) allows the target list to contain slicing expressions (the syntax for the for loop simply recycles normal assignment targets, which seems odd).

      – Konrad Rudolph
      yesterday




      1




      1





      doesn't the fact that a[-1] on the last iteration is 2 contradict the documentation in that "the expression list is evaluated once"?

      – Ev. Kounis
      yesterday







      doesn't the fact that a[-1] on the last iteration is 2 contradict the documentation in that "the expression list is evaluated once"?

      – Ev. Kounis
      yesterday






      3




      3





      @Ev.Kounis No, it’s evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.

      – Konrad Rudolph
      yesterday





      @Ev.Kounis No, it’s evaluated once to create an iterable object. But that iterable object still iterates over the original data, not a copy of it.

      – Konrad Rudolph
      yesterday




      2




      2





      @KonradRudolph I see..

      – Ev. Kounis
      yesterday





      @KonradRudolph I see..

      – Ev. Kounis
      yesterday













      18














      (This is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



      If you had



      x = 0
      l = [1, 2, 3]
      for x in l:
      print(x)


      you wouldn't be surprised that x is overridden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



      When we do



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a[-1])


      even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.






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      • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

        – Amir A. Shabani
        yesterday
















      18














      (This is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



      If you had



      x = 0
      l = [1, 2, 3]
      for x in l:
      print(x)


      you wouldn't be surprised that x is overridden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



      When we do



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a[-1])


      even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.






      share|improve this answer


























      • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

        – Amir A. Shabani
        yesterday














      18












      18








      18







      (This is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



      If you had



      x = 0
      l = [1, 2, 3]
      for x in l:
      print(x)


      you wouldn't be surprised that x is overridden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



      When we do



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a[-1])


      even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.






      share|improve this answer















      (This is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



      If you had



      x = 0
      l = [1, 2, 3]
      for x in l:
      print(x)


      you wouldn't be surprised that x is overridden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



      When we do



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a[-1])


      even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.







      share|improve this answer














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      Peter Mortensen

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      13.9k1987114










      answered yesterday









      NathanNathan

      2,23511329




      2,23511329













      • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

        – Amir A. Shabani
        yesterday



















      • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

        – Amir A. Shabani
        yesterday

















      Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

      – Amir A. Shabani
      yesterday





      Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

      – Amir A. Shabani
      yesterday











      6














      The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



      for n in a:
      print(n)


      is just a fancy way of doing:



      for i in range(len(a)):
      n = a[i]
      print(n)


      Likewise,



      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a[-1])


      is just a fancy way of doing:



      for i in range(len(a)):
      a[-1] = a[i]
      print(a[-1])


      where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.






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        6














        The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



        for n in a:
        print(n)


        is just a fancy way of doing:



        for i in range(len(a)):
        n = a[i]
        print(n)


        Likewise,



        for a[-1] in a:
        print(a[-1])


        is just a fancy way of doing:



        for i in range(len(a)):
        a[-1] = a[i]
        print(a[-1])


        where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.






        share|improve this answer


























          6












          6








          6







          The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



          for n in a:
          print(n)


          is just a fancy way of doing:



          for i in range(len(a)):
          n = a[i]
          print(n)


          Likewise,



          for a[-1] in a:
          print(a[-1])


          is just a fancy way of doing:



          for i in range(len(a)):
          a[-1] = a[i]
          print(a[-1])


          where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.






          share|improve this answer













          The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



          for n in a:
          print(n)


          is just a fancy way of doing:



          for i in range(len(a)):
          n = a[i]
          print(n)


          Likewise,



          for a[-1] in a:
          print(a[-1])


          is just a fancy way of doing:



          for i in range(len(a)):
          a[-1] = a[i]
          print(a[-1])


          where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.







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          blhsingblhsing

          43.9k41744




          43.9k41744























              5














              It is an interesting question, and you can understand it by that:



              for v in a:
              a[-1] = v
              print(a[-1])

              print(a)


              actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



              Output:



              0
              1
              2
              2
              [0, 1, 2, 2]


              I hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )






              share|improve this answer






























                5














                It is an interesting question, and you can understand it by that:



                for v in a:
                a[-1] = v
                print(a[-1])

                print(a)


                actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



                Output:



                0
                1
                2
                2
                [0, 1, 2, 2]


                I hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )






                share|improve this answer




























                  5












                  5








                  5







                  It is an interesting question, and you can understand it by that:



                  for v in a:
                  a[-1] = v
                  print(a[-1])

                  print(a)


                  actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



                  Output:



                  0
                  1
                  2
                  2
                  [0, 1, 2, 2]


                  I hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )






                  share|improve this answer















                  It is an interesting question, and you can understand it by that:



                  for v in a:
                  a[-1] = v
                  print(a[-1])

                  print(a)


                  actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



                  Output:



                  0
                  1
                  2
                  2
                  [0, 1, 2, 2]


                  I hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )







                  share|improve this answer














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                  recnacrecnac

                  1,525223




                  1,525223























                      4














                      The answer by TrebledJ explains the technical reason of why this is possible.



                      Why would you want to do this though?



                      Suppose I have an algorithm that operates on an array:



                      x = np.arange(5)


                      And I want to test the result of the algorithm using different values of the first index. I can simply skip the first value, reconstructing an array every time:



                      for i in range(5):
                      print(np.r[i, x[1:]].sum())


                      This will create a new array on every iteration, which is not ideal, in particular if the array is large. To reuse the same memory on every iteration, I can rewrite it as:



                      for i in range(5):
                      x[0] = i
                      print(x.sum())


                      Which is probably clearer than the first version too.



                      But that is exactly identical to the more compact way to write this:



                      for x[0] in range(5):
                      print(x.sum())


                      all of the above will result in:



                      10
                      11
                      12
                      13
                      14


                      Now this is a trivial "algorithm", but there will be more complicated purposes where one might want to test changing a single (or multiple, but that complicating things due to assignment unpacking) value in an array to a number of values, preferably without copying the entire array. In this case, you may want to use an indexed value in a loop, but be prepared to confuse anyone maintaining your code (including yourself). For this reason, the second version explicitly assigning x[0] = i is probably preferable, but if you prefer the more compact for x[0] in range(5) style, this should be a valid use case.






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                      • What is np.r in the second code block?

                        – Nathan
                        20 hours ago
















                      4














                      The answer by TrebledJ explains the technical reason of why this is possible.



                      Why would you want to do this though?



                      Suppose I have an algorithm that operates on an array:



                      x = np.arange(5)


                      And I want to test the result of the algorithm using different values of the first index. I can simply skip the first value, reconstructing an array every time:



                      for i in range(5):
                      print(np.r[i, x[1:]].sum())


                      This will create a new array on every iteration, which is not ideal, in particular if the array is large. To reuse the same memory on every iteration, I can rewrite it as:



                      for i in range(5):
                      x[0] = i
                      print(x.sum())


                      Which is probably clearer than the first version too.



                      But that is exactly identical to the more compact way to write this:



                      for x[0] in range(5):
                      print(x.sum())


                      all of the above will result in:



                      10
                      11
                      12
                      13
                      14


                      Now this is a trivial "algorithm", but there will be more complicated purposes where one might want to test changing a single (or multiple, but that complicating things due to assignment unpacking) value in an array to a number of values, preferably without copying the entire array. In this case, you may want to use an indexed value in a loop, but be prepared to confuse anyone maintaining your code (including yourself). For this reason, the second version explicitly assigning x[0] = i is probably preferable, but if you prefer the more compact for x[0] in range(5) style, this should be a valid use case.






                      share|improve this answer
























                      • What is np.r in the second code block?

                        – Nathan
                        20 hours ago














                      4












                      4








                      4







                      The answer by TrebledJ explains the technical reason of why this is possible.



                      Why would you want to do this though?



                      Suppose I have an algorithm that operates on an array:



                      x = np.arange(5)


                      And I want to test the result of the algorithm using different values of the first index. I can simply skip the first value, reconstructing an array every time:



                      for i in range(5):
                      print(np.r[i, x[1:]].sum())


                      This will create a new array on every iteration, which is not ideal, in particular if the array is large. To reuse the same memory on every iteration, I can rewrite it as:



                      for i in range(5):
                      x[0] = i
                      print(x.sum())


                      Which is probably clearer than the first version too.



                      But that is exactly identical to the more compact way to write this:



                      for x[0] in range(5):
                      print(x.sum())


                      all of the above will result in:



                      10
                      11
                      12
                      13
                      14


                      Now this is a trivial "algorithm", but there will be more complicated purposes where one might want to test changing a single (or multiple, but that complicating things due to assignment unpacking) value in an array to a number of values, preferably without copying the entire array. In this case, you may want to use an indexed value in a loop, but be prepared to confuse anyone maintaining your code (including yourself). For this reason, the second version explicitly assigning x[0] = i is probably preferable, but if you prefer the more compact for x[0] in range(5) style, this should be a valid use case.






                      share|improve this answer













                      The answer by TrebledJ explains the technical reason of why this is possible.



                      Why would you want to do this though?



                      Suppose I have an algorithm that operates on an array:



                      x = np.arange(5)


                      And I want to test the result of the algorithm using different values of the first index. I can simply skip the first value, reconstructing an array every time:



                      for i in range(5):
                      print(np.r[i, x[1:]].sum())


                      This will create a new array on every iteration, which is not ideal, in particular if the array is large. To reuse the same memory on every iteration, I can rewrite it as:



                      for i in range(5):
                      x[0] = i
                      print(x.sum())


                      Which is probably clearer than the first version too.



                      But that is exactly identical to the more compact way to write this:



                      for x[0] in range(5):
                      print(x.sum())


                      all of the above will result in:



                      10
                      11
                      12
                      13
                      14


                      Now this is a trivial "algorithm", but there will be more complicated purposes where one might want to test changing a single (or multiple, but that complicating things due to assignment unpacking) value in an array to a number of values, preferably without copying the entire array. In this case, you may want to use an indexed value in a loop, but be prepared to confuse anyone maintaining your code (including yourself). For this reason, the second version explicitly assigning x[0] = i is probably preferable, but if you prefer the more compact for x[0] in range(5) style, this should be a valid use case.







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                      • What is np.r in the second code block?

                        – Nathan
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                      • What is np.r in the second code block?

                        – Nathan
                        20 hours ago

















                      What is np.r in the second code block?

                      – Nathan
                      20 hours ago





                      What is np.r in the second code block?

                      – Nathan
                      20 hours ago











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                      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
                      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



                      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



                      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.






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                      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                        – Amir A. Shabani
                        yesterday






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                        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                        – gameon67
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                      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                        – Nathan
                        yesterday











                      • I've expanded the answer to explain more precisely how this works. Hopefully people will understand it this time.

                        – Tom Karzes
                        yesterday






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                        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                        – Christian Dean
                        yesterday


















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                      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
                      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



                      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



                      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.






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                      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                        – Amir A. Shabani
                        yesterday






                      • 1





                        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                        – gameon67
                        yesterday











                      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                        – Nathan
                        yesterday











                      • I've expanded the answer to explain more precisely how this works. Hopefully people will understand it this time.

                        – Tom Karzes
                        yesterday






                      • 1





                        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                        – Christian Dean
                        yesterday
















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                      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
                      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



                      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



                      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.






                      share|improve this answer















                      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
                      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



                      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



                      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.







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                      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                        – Amir A. Shabani
                        yesterday






                      • 1





                        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                        – gameon67
                        yesterday











                      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                        – Nathan
                        yesterday











                      • I've expanded the answer to explain more precisely how this works. Hopefully people will understand it this time.

                        – Tom Karzes
                        yesterday






                      • 1





                        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                        – Christian Dean
                        yesterday





















                      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                        – Amir A. Shabani
                        yesterday






                      • 1





                        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                        – gameon67
                        yesterday











                      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                        – Nathan
                        yesterday











                      • I've expanded the answer to explain more precisely how this works. Hopefully people will understand it this time.

                        – Tom Karzes
                        yesterday






                      • 1





                        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                        – Christian Dean
                        yesterday



















                      How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                      – Amir A. Shabani
                      yesterday





                      How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                      – Amir A. Shabani
                      yesterday




                      1




                      1





                      Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                      – gameon67
                      yesterday





                      Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                      – gameon67
                      yesterday













                      I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                      – Nathan
                      yesterday





                      I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                      – Nathan
                      yesterday













                      I've expanded the answer to explain more precisely how this works. Hopefully people will understand it this time.

                      – Tom Karzes
                      yesterday





                      I've expanded the answer to explain more precisely how this works. Hopefully people will understand it this time.

                      – Tom Karzes
                      yesterday




                      1




                      1





                      "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                      – Christian Dean
                      yesterday







                      "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                      – Christian Dean
                      yesterday