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If I can cast sorceries at instant speed, can I use sorcery-speed activated abilities at instant speed? [duplicate]
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So Teferi, Time Raveler is down, and I have +1'ed him. I may now "cast sorcery spells as though they had flash". My Adorned Pouncer is in the graveyard, and can be Eternalized "only as a sorcery".
Does this mean I can Eternalize at instant speed? I feel like it shouldn't but would love a rules clarification.
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So Teferi, Time Raveler is down, and I have +1'ed him. I may now "cast sorcery spells as though they had flash". My Adorned Pouncer is in the graveyard, and can be Eternalized "only as a sorcery".
Does this mean I can Eternalize at instant speed? I feel like it shouldn't but would love a rules clarification.
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Hmm, this is a dupe but might want to close the other question after comparing answers
– Malco
yesterday
I did have a look, and there were similar questions, but I didn't feel they quite gave me the clear answer I was after. My question is also more generally worded, so would hopefully be more obvious to fellow seekers.
– Soulus101
16 hours ago
Yup, I think your question is more generally worded and has better answers. That is why I think the other question should be closed and this one made a target. Now that it is closed though it will probably take a moderator to switch them.
– Malco
14 hours ago
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Cast spells as if they have flash - does it affect equipping?
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So Teferi, Time Raveler is down, and I have +1'ed him. I may now "cast sorcery spells as though they had flash". My Adorned Pouncer is in the graveyard, and can be Eternalized "only as a sorcery".
Does this mean I can Eternalize at instant speed? I feel like it shouldn't but would love a rules clarification.
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This question already has an answer here:
Cast spells as if they have flash - does it affect equipping?
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So Teferi, Time Raveler is down, and I have +1'ed him. I may now "cast sorcery spells as though they had flash". My Adorned Pouncer is in the graveyard, and can be Eternalized "only as a sorcery".
Does this mean I can Eternalize at instant speed? I feel like it shouldn't but would love a rules clarification.
This question already has an answer here:
Cast spells as if they have flash - does it affect equipping?
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Hmm, this is a dupe but might want to close the other question after comparing answers
– Malco
yesterday
I did have a look, and there were similar questions, but I didn't feel they quite gave me the clear answer I was after. My question is also more generally worded, so would hopefully be more obvious to fellow seekers.
– Soulus101
16 hours ago
Yup, I think your question is more generally worded and has better answers. That is why I think the other question should be closed and this one made a target. Now that it is closed though it will probably take a moderator to switch them.
– Malco
14 hours ago
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Hmm, this is a dupe but might want to close the other question after comparing answers
– Malco
yesterday
I did have a look, and there were similar questions, but I didn't feel they quite gave me the clear answer I was after. My question is also more generally worded, so would hopefully be more obvious to fellow seekers.
– Soulus101
16 hours ago
Yup, I think your question is more generally worded and has better answers. That is why I think the other question should be closed and this one made a target. Now that it is closed though it will probably take a moderator to switch them.
– Malco
14 hours ago
Hmm, this is a dupe but might want to close the other question after comparing answers
– Malco
yesterday
Hmm, this is a dupe but might want to close the other question after comparing answers
– Malco
yesterday
I did have a look, and there were similar questions, but I didn't feel they quite gave me the clear answer I was after. My question is also more generally worded, so would hopefully be more obvious to fellow seekers.
– Soulus101
16 hours ago
I did have a look, and there were similar questions, but I didn't feel they quite gave me the clear answer I was after. My question is also more generally worded, so would hopefully be more obvious to fellow seekers.
– Soulus101
16 hours ago
Yup, I think your question is more generally worded and has better answers. That is why I think the other question should be closed and this one made a target. Now that it is closed though it will probably take a moderator to switch them.
– Malco
14 hours ago
Yup, I think your question is more generally worded and has better answers. That is why I think the other question should be closed and this one made a target. Now that it is closed though it will probably take a moderator to switch them.
– Malco
14 hours ago
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No, Teferi only affects sorcery spells. This is because the phrase “any time you could cast a sorcery” (or “do this only as a sorcery”[see note]) doesn't actually mean any point you are able to cast a sorcery spell, but instead it means whenever it's a main phase of your own turn and the stack is empty:
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
To confirm this we can take a look at the rulings on Hypersonic Dragon which has a similar ability:
You may cast sorcery spells as though they had flash. (You may cast them any time you could cast an instant.)
One of its rulings says:
Hypersonic Dragon’s last ability has no effect on abilities that you can activate “any time you could cast a sorcery.” (2017-11-17)
There is no card that generally provides instant timing to abilities that can only be activated “any time you could cast a sorcery”, and such a card will probably never appear.
There are cards that let you activate specific sorcery-speed abilities at instant speed. Leonin Shikari lets you use Equip abilities with instant timing, Teferi, Temporal Archmage does the same for loyalty abilities. However there is nothing that lets you eternalize at instant speed.
Note: Eternalize says “Eternalize only as a sorcery” in its reminder text. This “do thing only as a sorcery” phrase is a short-hand for “any time you could cast a sorcery” that you may see in reminder text. (You'll see the same short-hand used for Equip abilities such as on Explorer's Scope.) The full text for the Eternalize ability is as follows:
702.128a Eternalize is an activated ability that functions while the card with eternalize is in a graveyard. "Eternalize [cost]" means "[Cost], Exile this card from your graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of this card, except it's black, it's 4/4, it has no mana cost, and it's a Zombie in addition to its other types. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery."
Thanks, I knew there had to be a rule somewhere. It might be good if you could add an example of an effect that would allow this (or else to specify that none exists), if you happen to know this, just as an additional clarification/contrast, but realise this is beyond the scope of the question.
– Soulus101
yesterday
I've added that. I don't believe there is one.
– doppelgreener
yesterday
Such an effect would not make much sense. Activated abilities are by default instant speed, and restricting them to sorcery speed is the rare exception. Adding an effect that creates an exception to the already rare exception would have an infinitesimal impact on the game, one that is certainly not worth spending a card on in the design stage.
– Hackworth
yesterday
@Hackworth I agree completely. I doubt we'll ever see such a card. I also checked to see if there was specifically a card that would say you could eternalize at instant speed, like Leonin Shikari is for equipments, and found none (using this search).
– doppelgreener
yesterday
But it says "as a sorcery", not "any time you could cast a sorcery".
– Acccumulation
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No.
There is a difference between casting a sorcery and activating an ability.
Teferi allows you to cast a sorcery even if the stack is not empty, it won't allow you to activate an ability that has the "sorcery" restriction.
Even though previously used wording of "any time you could cast a sorcery" can be written on the card, this means, any time during your main phase when the stack is empty.
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only
that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase
of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
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No, Teferi only affects sorcery spells. This is because the phrase “any time you could cast a sorcery” (or “do this only as a sorcery”[see note]) doesn't actually mean any point you are able to cast a sorcery spell, but instead it means whenever it's a main phase of your own turn and the stack is empty:
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
To confirm this we can take a look at the rulings on Hypersonic Dragon which has a similar ability:
You may cast sorcery spells as though they had flash. (You may cast them any time you could cast an instant.)
One of its rulings says:
Hypersonic Dragon’s last ability has no effect on abilities that you can activate “any time you could cast a sorcery.” (2017-11-17)
There is no card that generally provides instant timing to abilities that can only be activated “any time you could cast a sorcery”, and such a card will probably never appear.
There are cards that let you activate specific sorcery-speed abilities at instant speed. Leonin Shikari lets you use Equip abilities with instant timing, Teferi, Temporal Archmage does the same for loyalty abilities. However there is nothing that lets you eternalize at instant speed.
Note: Eternalize says “Eternalize only as a sorcery” in its reminder text. This “do thing only as a sorcery” phrase is a short-hand for “any time you could cast a sorcery” that you may see in reminder text. (You'll see the same short-hand used for Equip abilities such as on Explorer's Scope.) The full text for the Eternalize ability is as follows:
702.128a Eternalize is an activated ability that functions while the card with eternalize is in a graveyard. "Eternalize [cost]" means "[Cost], Exile this card from your graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of this card, except it's black, it's 4/4, it has no mana cost, and it's a Zombie in addition to its other types. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery."
Thanks, I knew there had to be a rule somewhere. It might be good if you could add an example of an effect that would allow this (or else to specify that none exists), if you happen to know this, just as an additional clarification/contrast, but realise this is beyond the scope of the question.
– Soulus101
yesterday
I've added that. I don't believe there is one.
– doppelgreener
yesterday
Such an effect would not make much sense. Activated abilities are by default instant speed, and restricting them to sorcery speed is the rare exception. Adding an effect that creates an exception to the already rare exception would have an infinitesimal impact on the game, one that is certainly not worth spending a card on in the design stage.
– Hackworth
yesterday
@Hackworth I agree completely. I doubt we'll ever see such a card. I also checked to see if there was specifically a card that would say you could eternalize at instant speed, like Leonin Shikari is for equipments, and found none (using this search).
– doppelgreener
yesterday
But it says "as a sorcery", not "any time you could cast a sorcery".
– Acccumulation
yesterday
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No, Teferi only affects sorcery spells. This is because the phrase “any time you could cast a sorcery” (or “do this only as a sorcery”[see note]) doesn't actually mean any point you are able to cast a sorcery spell, but instead it means whenever it's a main phase of your own turn and the stack is empty:
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
To confirm this we can take a look at the rulings on Hypersonic Dragon which has a similar ability:
You may cast sorcery spells as though they had flash. (You may cast them any time you could cast an instant.)
One of its rulings says:
Hypersonic Dragon’s last ability has no effect on abilities that you can activate “any time you could cast a sorcery.” (2017-11-17)
There is no card that generally provides instant timing to abilities that can only be activated “any time you could cast a sorcery”, and such a card will probably never appear.
There are cards that let you activate specific sorcery-speed abilities at instant speed. Leonin Shikari lets you use Equip abilities with instant timing, Teferi, Temporal Archmage does the same for loyalty abilities. However there is nothing that lets you eternalize at instant speed.
Note: Eternalize says “Eternalize only as a sorcery” in its reminder text. This “do thing only as a sorcery” phrase is a short-hand for “any time you could cast a sorcery” that you may see in reminder text. (You'll see the same short-hand used for Equip abilities such as on Explorer's Scope.) The full text for the Eternalize ability is as follows:
702.128a Eternalize is an activated ability that functions while the card with eternalize is in a graveyard. "Eternalize [cost]" means "[Cost], Exile this card from your graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of this card, except it's black, it's 4/4, it has no mana cost, and it's a Zombie in addition to its other types. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery."
Thanks, I knew there had to be a rule somewhere. It might be good if you could add an example of an effect that would allow this (or else to specify that none exists), if you happen to know this, just as an additional clarification/contrast, but realise this is beyond the scope of the question.
– Soulus101
yesterday
I've added that. I don't believe there is one.
– doppelgreener
yesterday
Such an effect would not make much sense. Activated abilities are by default instant speed, and restricting them to sorcery speed is the rare exception. Adding an effect that creates an exception to the already rare exception would have an infinitesimal impact on the game, one that is certainly not worth spending a card on in the design stage.
– Hackworth
yesterday
@Hackworth I agree completely. I doubt we'll ever see such a card. I also checked to see if there was specifically a card that would say you could eternalize at instant speed, like Leonin Shikari is for equipments, and found none (using this search).
– doppelgreener
yesterday
But it says "as a sorcery", not "any time you could cast a sorcery".
– Acccumulation
yesterday
|
show 2 more comments
No, Teferi only affects sorcery spells. This is because the phrase “any time you could cast a sorcery” (or “do this only as a sorcery”[see note]) doesn't actually mean any point you are able to cast a sorcery spell, but instead it means whenever it's a main phase of your own turn and the stack is empty:
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
To confirm this we can take a look at the rulings on Hypersonic Dragon which has a similar ability:
You may cast sorcery spells as though they had flash. (You may cast them any time you could cast an instant.)
One of its rulings says:
Hypersonic Dragon’s last ability has no effect on abilities that you can activate “any time you could cast a sorcery.” (2017-11-17)
There is no card that generally provides instant timing to abilities that can only be activated “any time you could cast a sorcery”, and such a card will probably never appear.
There are cards that let you activate specific sorcery-speed abilities at instant speed. Leonin Shikari lets you use Equip abilities with instant timing, Teferi, Temporal Archmage does the same for loyalty abilities. However there is nothing that lets you eternalize at instant speed.
Note: Eternalize says “Eternalize only as a sorcery” in its reminder text. This “do thing only as a sorcery” phrase is a short-hand for “any time you could cast a sorcery” that you may see in reminder text. (You'll see the same short-hand used for Equip abilities such as on Explorer's Scope.) The full text for the Eternalize ability is as follows:
702.128a Eternalize is an activated ability that functions while the card with eternalize is in a graveyard. "Eternalize [cost]" means "[Cost], Exile this card from your graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of this card, except it's black, it's 4/4, it has no mana cost, and it's a Zombie in addition to its other types. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery."
No, Teferi only affects sorcery spells. This is because the phrase “any time you could cast a sorcery” (or “do this only as a sorcery”[see note]) doesn't actually mean any point you are able to cast a sorcery spell, but instead it means whenever it's a main phase of your own turn and the stack is empty:
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
To confirm this we can take a look at the rulings on Hypersonic Dragon which has a similar ability:
You may cast sorcery spells as though they had flash. (You may cast them any time you could cast an instant.)
One of its rulings says:
Hypersonic Dragon’s last ability has no effect on abilities that you can activate “any time you could cast a sorcery.” (2017-11-17)
There is no card that generally provides instant timing to abilities that can only be activated “any time you could cast a sorcery”, and such a card will probably never appear.
There are cards that let you activate specific sorcery-speed abilities at instant speed. Leonin Shikari lets you use Equip abilities with instant timing, Teferi, Temporal Archmage does the same for loyalty abilities. However there is nothing that lets you eternalize at instant speed.
Note: Eternalize says “Eternalize only as a sorcery” in its reminder text. This “do thing only as a sorcery” phrase is a short-hand for “any time you could cast a sorcery” that you may see in reminder text. (You'll see the same short-hand used for Equip abilities such as on Explorer's Scope.) The full text for the Eternalize ability is as follows:
702.128a Eternalize is an activated ability that functions while the card with eternalize is in a graveyard. "Eternalize [cost]" means "[Cost], Exile this card from your graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of this card, except it's black, it's 4/4, it has no mana cost, and it's a Zombie in addition to its other types. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery."
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Thanks, I knew there had to be a rule somewhere. It might be good if you could add an example of an effect that would allow this (or else to specify that none exists), if you happen to know this, just as an additional clarification/contrast, but realise this is beyond the scope of the question.
– Soulus101
yesterday
I've added that. I don't believe there is one.
– doppelgreener
yesterday
Such an effect would not make much sense. Activated abilities are by default instant speed, and restricting them to sorcery speed is the rare exception. Adding an effect that creates an exception to the already rare exception would have an infinitesimal impact on the game, one that is certainly not worth spending a card on in the design stage.
– Hackworth
yesterday
@Hackworth I agree completely. I doubt we'll ever see such a card. I also checked to see if there was specifically a card that would say you could eternalize at instant speed, like Leonin Shikari is for equipments, and found none (using this search).
– doppelgreener
yesterday
But it says "as a sorcery", not "any time you could cast a sorcery".
– Acccumulation
yesterday
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Thanks, I knew there had to be a rule somewhere. It might be good if you could add an example of an effect that would allow this (or else to specify that none exists), if you happen to know this, just as an additional clarification/contrast, but realise this is beyond the scope of the question.
– Soulus101
yesterday
I've added that. I don't believe there is one.
– doppelgreener
yesterday
Such an effect would not make much sense. Activated abilities are by default instant speed, and restricting them to sorcery speed is the rare exception. Adding an effect that creates an exception to the already rare exception would have an infinitesimal impact on the game, one that is certainly not worth spending a card on in the design stage.
– Hackworth
yesterday
@Hackworth I agree completely. I doubt we'll ever see such a card. I also checked to see if there was specifically a card that would say you could eternalize at instant speed, like Leonin Shikari is for equipments, and found none (using this search).
– doppelgreener
yesterday
But it says "as a sorcery", not "any time you could cast a sorcery".
– Acccumulation
yesterday
Thanks, I knew there had to be a rule somewhere. It might be good if you could add an example of an effect that would allow this (or else to specify that none exists), if you happen to know this, just as an additional clarification/contrast, but realise this is beyond the scope of the question.
– Soulus101
yesterday
Thanks, I knew there had to be a rule somewhere. It might be good if you could add an example of an effect that would allow this (or else to specify that none exists), if you happen to know this, just as an additional clarification/contrast, but realise this is beyond the scope of the question.
– Soulus101
yesterday
I've added that. I don't believe there is one.
– doppelgreener
yesterday
I've added that. I don't believe there is one.
– doppelgreener
yesterday
Such an effect would not make much sense. Activated abilities are by default instant speed, and restricting them to sorcery speed is the rare exception. Adding an effect that creates an exception to the already rare exception would have an infinitesimal impact on the game, one that is certainly not worth spending a card on in the design stage.
– Hackworth
yesterday
Such an effect would not make much sense. Activated abilities are by default instant speed, and restricting them to sorcery speed is the rare exception. Adding an effect that creates an exception to the already rare exception would have an infinitesimal impact on the game, one that is certainly not worth spending a card on in the design stage.
– Hackworth
yesterday
@Hackworth I agree completely. I doubt we'll ever see such a card. I also checked to see if there was specifically a card that would say you could eternalize at instant speed, like Leonin Shikari is for equipments, and found none (using this search).
– doppelgreener
yesterday
@Hackworth I agree completely. I doubt we'll ever see such a card. I also checked to see if there was specifically a card that would say you could eternalize at instant speed, like Leonin Shikari is for equipments, and found none (using this search).
– doppelgreener
yesterday
But it says "as a sorcery", not "any time you could cast a sorcery".
– Acccumulation
yesterday
But it says "as a sorcery", not "any time you could cast a sorcery".
– Acccumulation
yesterday
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No.
There is a difference between casting a sorcery and activating an ability.
Teferi allows you to cast a sorcery even if the stack is not empty, it won't allow you to activate an ability that has the "sorcery" restriction.
Even though previously used wording of "any time you could cast a sorcery" can be written on the card, this means, any time during your main phase when the stack is empty.
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only
that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase
of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
add a comment |
No.
There is a difference between casting a sorcery and activating an ability.
Teferi allows you to cast a sorcery even if the stack is not empty, it won't allow you to activate an ability that has the "sorcery" restriction.
Even though previously used wording of "any time you could cast a sorcery" can be written on the card, this means, any time during your main phase when the stack is empty.
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only
that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase
of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
add a comment |
No.
There is a difference between casting a sorcery and activating an ability.
Teferi allows you to cast a sorcery even if the stack is not empty, it won't allow you to activate an ability that has the "sorcery" restriction.
Even though previously used wording of "any time you could cast a sorcery" can be written on the card, this means, any time during your main phase when the stack is empty.
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only
that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase
of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
No.
There is a difference between casting a sorcery and activating an ability.
Teferi allows you to cast a sorcery even if the stack is not empty, it won't allow you to activate an ability that has the "sorcery" restriction.
Even though previously used wording of "any time you could cast a sorcery" can be written on the card, this means, any time during your main phase when the stack is empty.
307.5 If a spell, ability, or effect states that a player can do something only “any time they could cast a sorcery,” it means only
that the player must have priority, it must be during the main phase
of their turn, and the stack must be empty. [...]
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Hmm, this is a dupe but might want to close the other question after comparing answers
– Malco
yesterday
I did have a look, and there were similar questions, but I didn't feel they quite gave me the clear answer I was after. My question is also more generally worded, so would hopefully be more obvious to fellow seekers.
– Soulus101
16 hours ago
Yup, I think your question is more generally worded and has better answers. That is why I think the other question should be closed and this one made a target. Now that it is closed though it will probably take a moderator to switch them.
– Malco
14 hours ago