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Answering your particular question "Is it possible?" I would say "Yes, it is.". There are many aspects that could impact how active QA could be involved on the prior phases. For example:




  • Is that an automation QA or manual QA

  • How strong soft and hard skills of particular QA engineer are

  • How well the job was done from the top bottom phases

  • How well is the inter-project communication established


For example on Analysis phase you could work with analysts to gather proper requirements in proper notation that would be suitable for further usage when you will be designing the tests.



On Design phase you could consult your architects or tech leads on how to do your system more testable. Prepare a test strategy and estimate test budget of the project.



On Environments phase you could obviously build or help your devops to build the abstract deployment process, plan how your tests would integrate into CI/CD, plan what environmental properties are to be configured for better fitting testing needs, etc.



I didn't start from System Investigation since on that phase normally they involve very limited engineering participation so that QA are unlikely to be invited.



Disclaimer: Phases description is taken from this Wikipedia article.






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    The job of testing starts before you write code when you follow



    BDD- Behavior Driven Design



    and



    TDD - Test Driven Design



    There are many books on the above topics so I'll avoid trying to explain them in details other than to say "Test first"






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      I would say it should ideally start, when project starts. Because most of thing in project can, and should be tested in some way. No one in project team is flawless, and bad decisions will probablo cost time or money later.



      You can test:




      • ideas – participation in meeting will add another point of view, and may make software more testable.

      • requirement – they can be ambiguous and thus poorly understood by delveloper

      • software

      • lot more things, like processes within project team, used technologies,…


      Testing is not done only when you sit before computer, and management should count with it. You probably already been thinking about project before someone told you that „'Testing' phase“ started.



      You will do better work, when you have better knowledge of tested application.






      share|improve this answer










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        The best time to start is? Now!




        Traditionally people view testing as a phase that happens at the end
        of development. In agile most have changed it that the chunk of
        development done is smaller, but the testing still happens last.
        Nothing has fundamentally changed about how testing is done.



        ...



        In contrast in agile, testing is just an activity that needs to
        happen, along with coding, documentation and everything else. Thinking
        about it like this makes it possible to consider the idea of doing
        testing tasks before development work. A great way to visualise this
        on a taskboard is that instead of having a separate column for test,
        rather just make testing tasks a different colour sticky note.



        https://leanpub.com/AgileTesting/read




        Other reads for inspiration of pre-post code testing activities:




        • https://less.works/less/technical-excellence/thinking-about-testing.html

        • Modern Testing Principles






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          Answering your particular question "Is it possible?" I would say "Yes, it is.". There are many aspects that could impact how active QA could be involved on the prior phases. For example:




          • Is that an automation QA or manual QA

          • How strong soft and hard skills of particular QA engineer are

          • How well the job was done from the top bottom phases

          • How well is the inter-project communication established


          For example on Analysis phase you could work with analysts to gather proper requirements in proper notation that would be suitable for further usage when you will be designing the tests.



          On Design phase you could consult your architects or tech leads on how to do your system more testable. Prepare a test strategy and estimate test budget of the project.



          On Environments phase you could obviously build or help your devops to build the abstract deployment process, plan how your tests would integrate into CI/CD, plan what environmental properties are to be configured for better fitting testing needs, etc.



          I didn't start from System Investigation since on that phase normally they involve very limited engineering participation so that QA are unlikely to be invited.



          Disclaimer: Phases description is taken from this Wikipedia article.






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            Answering your particular question "Is it possible?" I would say "Yes, it is.". There are many aspects that could impact how active QA could be involved on the prior phases. For example:




            • Is that an automation QA or manual QA

            • How strong soft and hard skills of particular QA engineer are

            • How well the job was done from the top bottom phases

            • How well is the inter-project communication established


            For example on Analysis phase you could work with analysts to gather proper requirements in proper notation that would be suitable for further usage when you will be designing the tests.



            On Design phase you could consult your architects or tech leads on how to do your system more testable. Prepare a test strategy and estimate test budget of the project.



            On Environments phase you could obviously build or help your devops to build the abstract deployment process, plan how your tests would integrate into CI/CD, plan what environmental properties are to be configured for better fitting testing needs, etc.



            I didn't start from System Investigation since on that phase normally they involve very limited engineering participation so that QA are unlikely to be invited.



            Disclaimer: Phases description is taken from this Wikipedia article.






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              Answering your particular question "Is it possible?" I would say "Yes, it is.". There are many aspects that could impact how active QA could be involved on the prior phases. For example:




              • Is that an automation QA or manual QA

              • How strong soft and hard skills of particular QA engineer are

              • How well the job was done from the top bottom phases

              • How well is the inter-project communication established


              For example on Analysis phase you could work with analysts to gather proper requirements in proper notation that would be suitable for further usage when you will be designing the tests.



              On Design phase you could consult your architects or tech leads on how to do your system more testable. Prepare a test strategy and estimate test budget of the project.



              On Environments phase you could obviously build or help your devops to build the abstract deployment process, plan how your tests would integrate into CI/CD, plan what environmental properties are to be configured for better fitting testing needs, etc.



              I didn't start from System Investigation since on that phase normally they involve very limited engineering participation so that QA are unlikely to be invited.



              Disclaimer: Phases description is taken from this Wikipedia article.






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              Answering your particular question "Is it possible?" I would say "Yes, it is.". There are many aspects that could impact how active QA could be involved on the prior phases. For example:




              • Is that an automation QA or manual QA

              • How strong soft and hard skills of particular QA engineer are

              • How well the job was done from the top bottom phases

              • How well is the inter-project communication established


              For example on Analysis phase you could work with analysts to gather proper requirements in proper notation that would be suitable for further usage when you will be designing the tests.



              On Design phase you could consult your architects or tech leads on how to do your system more testable. Prepare a test strategy and estimate test budget of the project.



              On Environments phase you could obviously build or help your devops to build the abstract deployment process, plan how your tests would integrate into CI/CD, plan what environmental properties are to be configured for better fitting testing needs, etc.



              I didn't start from System Investigation since on that phase normally they involve very limited engineering participation so that QA are unlikely to be invited.



              Disclaimer: Phases description is taken from this Wikipedia article.







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                  The job of testing starts before you write code when you follow



                  BDD- Behavior Driven Design



                  and



                  TDD - Test Driven Design



                  There are many books on the above topics so I'll avoid trying to explain them in details other than to say "Test first"






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                    The job of testing starts before you write code when you follow



                    BDD- Behavior Driven Design



                    and



                    TDD - Test Driven Design



                    There are many books on the above topics so I'll avoid trying to explain them in details other than to say "Test first"






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                      The job of testing starts before you write code when you follow



                      BDD- Behavior Driven Design



                      and



                      TDD - Test Driven Design



                      There are many books on the above topics so I'll avoid trying to explain them in details other than to say "Test first"






                      share|improve this answer













                      The job of testing starts before you write code when you follow



                      BDD- Behavior Driven Design



                      and



                      TDD - Test Driven Design



                      There are many books on the above topics so I'll avoid trying to explain them in details other than to say "Test first"







                      share|improve this answer












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                          I would say it should ideally start, when project starts. Because most of thing in project can, and should be tested in some way. No one in project team is flawless, and bad decisions will probablo cost time or money later.



                          You can test:




                          • ideas – participation in meeting will add another point of view, and may make software more testable.

                          • requirement – they can be ambiguous and thus poorly understood by delveloper

                          • software

                          • lot more things, like processes within project team, used technologies,…


                          Testing is not done only when you sit before computer, and management should count with it. You probably already been thinking about project before someone told you that „'Testing' phase“ started.



                          You will do better work, when you have better knowledge of tested application.






                          share|improve this answer










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                            I would say it should ideally start, when project starts. Because most of thing in project can, and should be tested in some way. No one in project team is flawless, and bad decisions will probablo cost time or money later.



                            You can test:




                            • ideas – participation in meeting will add another point of view, and may make software more testable.

                            • requirement – they can be ambiguous and thus poorly understood by delveloper

                            • software

                            • lot more things, like processes within project team, used technologies,…


                            Testing is not done only when you sit before computer, and management should count with it. You probably already been thinking about project before someone told you that „'Testing' phase“ started.



                            You will do better work, when you have better knowledge of tested application.






                            share|improve this answer










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                              I would say it should ideally start, when project starts. Because most of thing in project can, and should be tested in some way. No one in project team is flawless, and bad decisions will probablo cost time or money later.



                              You can test:




                              • ideas – participation in meeting will add another point of view, and may make software more testable.

                              • requirement – they can be ambiguous and thus poorly understood by delveloper

                              • software

                              • lot more things, like processes within project team, used technologies,…


                              Testing is not done only when you sit before computer, and management should count with it. You probably already been thinking about project before someone told you that „'Testing' phase“ started.



                              You will do better work, when you have better knowledge of tested application.






                              share|improve this answer










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                              I would say it should ideally start, when project starts. Because most of thing in project can, and should be tested in some way. No one in project team is flawless, and bad decisions will probablo cost time or money later.



                              You can test:




                              • ideas – participation in meeting will add another point of view, and may make software more testable.

                              • requirement – they can be ambiguous and thus poorly understood by delveloper

                              • software

                              • lot more things, like processes within project team, used technologies,…


                              Testing is not done only when you sit before computer, and management should count with it. You probably already been thinking about project before someone told you that „'Testing' phase“ started.



                              You will do better work, when you have better knowledge of tested application.







                              share|improve this answer










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                                  The best time to start is? Now!




                                  Traditionally people view testing as a phase that happens at the end
                                  of development. In agile most have changed it that the chunk of
                                  development done is smaller, but the testing still happens last.
                                  Nothing has fundamentally changed about how testing is done.



                                  ...



                                  In contrast in agile, testing is just an activity that needs to
                                  happen, along with coding, documentation and everything else. Thinking
                                  about it like this makes it possible to consider the idea of doing
                                  testing tasks before development work. A great way to visualise this
                                  on a taskboard is that instead of having a separate column for test,
                                  rather just make testing tasks a different colour sticky note.



                                  https://leanpub.com/AgileTesting/read




                                  Other reads for inspiration of pre-post code testing activities:




                                  • https://less.works/less/technical-excellence/thinking-about-testing.html

                                  • Modern Testing Principles






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                                    The best time to start is? Now!




                                    Traditionally people view testing as a phase that happens at the end
                                    of development. In agile most have changed it that the chunk of
                                    development done is smaller, but the testing still happens last.
                                    Nothing has fundamentally changed about how testing is done.



                                    ...



                                    In contrast in agile, testing is just an activity that needs to
                                    happen, along with coding, documentation and everything else. Thinking
                                    about it like this makes it possible to consider the idea of doing
                                    testing tasks before development work. A great way to visualise this
                                    on a taskboard is that instead of having a separate column for test,
                                    rather just make testing tasks a different colour sticky note.



                                    https://leanpub.com/AgileTesting/read




                                    Other reads for inspiration of pre-post code testing activities:




                                    • https://less.works/less/technical-excellence/thinking-about-testing.html

                                    • Modern Testing Principles






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                                      The best time to start is? Now!




                                      Traditionally people view testing as a phase that happens at the end
                                      of development. In agile most have changed it that the chunk of
                                      development done is smaller, but the testing still happens last.
                                      Nothing has fundamentally changed about how testing is done.



                                      ...



                                      In contrast in agile, testing is just an activity that needs to
                                      happen, along with coding, documentation and everything else. Thinking
                                      about it like this makes it possible to consider the idea of doing
                                      testing tasks before development work. A great way to visualise this
                                      on a taskboard is that instead of having a separate column for test,
                                      rather just make testing tasks a different colour sticky note.



                                      https://leanpub.com/AgileTesting/read




                                      Other reads for inspiration of pre-post code testing activities:




                                      • https://less.works/less/technical-excellence/thinking-about-testing.html

                                      • Modern Testing Principles






                                      share|improve this answer













                                      The best time to start is? Now!




                                      Traditionally people view testing as a phase that happens at the end
                                      of development. In agile most have changed it that the chunk of
                                      development done is smaller, but the testing still happens last.
                                      Nothing has fundamentally changed about how testing is done.



                                      ...



                                      In contrast in agile, testing is just an activity that needs to
                                      happen, along with coding, documentation and everything else. Thinking
                                      about it like this makes it possible to consider the idea of doing
                                      testing tasks before development work. A great way to visualise this
                                      on a taskboard is that instead of having a separate column for test,
                                      rather just make testing tasks a different colour sticky note.



                                      https://leanpub.com/AgileTesting/read




                                      Other reads for inspiration of pre-post code testing activities:




                                      • https://less.works/less/technical-excellence/thinking-about-testing.html

                                      • Modern Testing Principles







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