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The verse from Bhagavata 10.88.5 reads as :

harir hi nirguṇaḥ sākṣāt puruṣaḥ prakṛteḥ paraḥ

sa sarva-dṛg upadraṣṭā taṁ bhajan nirguṇo bhavet

What does the word nirguna stand here and what is the justification?

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The verse from Bhagavata 10.88.5 reads as :

harir hi nirguṇaḥ sākṣāt puruṣaḥ prakṛteḥ paraḥ

sa sarva-dṛg upadraṣṭā taṁ bhajan nirguṇo bhavet

What does the word nirguna stand here and what is the justification?

bhagavata-purana

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The verse from Bhagavata 10.88.5 reads as :

harir hi nirguṇaḥ sākṣāt puruṣaḥ prakṛteḥ paraḥ

sa sarva-dṛg upadraṣṭā taṁ bhajan nirguṇo bhavet

What does the word nirguna stand here and what is the justification?

bhagavata-purana

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First, the context of the verses makes it clear that it is talking about modes of material natures(3 gunas)

See for eg:

SB 10.88.3: Śrī Śukadeva said: Lord Śiva is always united with his
personal energy, the material nature. Manifesting himself in three
features in response to the entreaties of nature’s three modes, he
thus embodies the threefold principle of material ego in goodness,
passion and ignorance.

SB 10.88.4: The sixteen elements have evolved as transformations of
that ego. When a devotee of Lord Śiva worships his manifestation in
any one of these elements, the devotee obtains all sorts of
corresponding enjoyable opulences.

Now, occurs the verse

harir hi nirguṇaḥ sākṣāt puruṣaḥ prakṛteḥ paraḥ sa sarva-dṛg upadraṣṭā
taṁ bhajan nirguṇo bhavet

Since, it is already described in Bhagavatam that Hari has many qualities.

For eg:

ete cānye ca bhagavan nityā yatra mahā-guṇāḥ prārthyā mahattvam
icchadbhir na viyanti sma karhicit

SB 1.16.29: The Lord possesses many other transcendental qualities
which are eternally present and never separated from Him.

Considering the context in which 10.88.5 occurs and the previous descriptions of transcendental qualities of Lord, nirguna can mean above material gunas.

Therefore 10.88.5 can be aptly translated as:

Lord Hari however, the primeval purusa, is transcendental to material
nature and absolutely untouched by the modes. He is the [inner]
witness seeing everything. By worshiping Him one is freed from [the
influence of] the gunas.

Chaitanya Mahprabhu says this in 20th Chapter of madhya lila, Chaitanya Charitamrta

‘śiva’ — māyā-śakti-saṅgī, tamo-guṇāveśa
māyātīta, guṇātīta ‘viṣṇu’ — parameśa

and then quotes the 10.88.5.

Nirguna is interpreted in the same manner by Jiva Goswami, Sanatan Goswami, Viraraghavacharya in the commentary to this verse.

I highly doubt if any advaitin commentator on BHAGAVATAM would have interpreted nirguna to mean 'devoid of qualities' in this straight forward verse.

So, thinking dispassionately,fitting the definition that nirguna means 'quality-less' or 'devoid of qualities' makes no sense and is self contradictory in this context, nirguna translated as 'untouched by three material modes/material qualities' seems apt.

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  "So, thinking dispassionately, Advaitic nirguna makes no sense and is self contradictory" Advaitic nirguna may not make sense in this context, but it certainly makes sense in the upanishadic context. Moreover, you need to show whether any advaitin takes the word nirguna incorrectly in this context.
  
  – Lazy Lubber
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  Instead of trying hard to prove Advaita is wrong, concentrate on evolving spiritually with Krishna.
  
  – Akshay S
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @LazyLubber yes in this context only. No advaitin commentator would have misinterpreted it.
  
  – Krishna Varna
  15 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  4
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @AkshayS give that instruction to some of your dear ones as well.
  
  – Krishna Varna
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
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  @Sarvabhouma Maybe Sridhara swami
  
  – Lazy Lubber
  14 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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First, the context of the verses makes it clear that it is talking about modes of material natures(3 gunas)

See for eg:

SB 10.88.3: Śrī Śukadeva said: Lord Śiva is always united with his
personal energy, the material nature. Manifesting himself in three
features in response to the entreaties of nature’s three modes, he
thus embodies the threefold principle of material ego in goodness,
passion and ignorance.

SB 10.88.4: The sixteen elements have evolved as transformations of
that ego. When a devotee of Lord Śiva worships his manifestation in
any one of these elements, the devotee obtains all sorts of
corresponding enjoyable opulences.

Now, occurs the verse

harir hi nirguṇaḥ sākṣāt puruṣaḥ prakṛteḥ paraḥ sa sarva-dṛg upadraṣṭā
taṁ bhajan nirguṇo bhavet

Since, it is already described in Bhagavatam that Hari has many qualities.

For eg:

ete cānye ca bhagavan nityā yatra mahā-guṇāḥ prārthyā mahattvam
icchadbhir na viyanti sma karhicit

SB 1.16.29: The Lord possesses many other transcendental qualities
which are eternally present and never separated from Him.

Considering the context in which 10.88.5 occurs and the previous descriptions of transcendental qualities of Lord, nirguna can mean above material gunas.

Therefore 10.88.5 can be aptly translated as:

Lord Hari however, the primeval purusa, is transcendental to material
nature and absolutely untouched by the modes. He is the [inner]
witness seeing everything. By worshiping Him one is freed from [the
influence of] the gunas.

Chaitanya Mahprabhu says this in 20th Chapter of madhya lila, Chaitanya Charitamrta

‘śiva’ — māyā-śakti-saṅgī, tamo-guṇāveśa
māyātīta, guṇātīta ‘viṣṇu’ — parameśa

and then quotes the 10.88.5.

Nirguna is interpreted in the same manner by Jiva Goswami, Sanatan Goswami, Viraraghavacharya in the commentary to this verse.

I highly doubt if any advaitin commentator on BHAGAVATAM would have interpreted nirguna to mean 'devoid of qualities' in this straight forward verse.

So, thinking dispassionately,fitting the definition that nirguna means 'quality-less' or 'devoid of qualities' makes no sense and is self contradictory in this context, nirguna translated as 'untouched by three material modes/material qualities' seems apt.

share|improve this answer

edited 12 hours ago

answered 15 hours ago

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  "So, thinking dispassionately, Advaitic nirguna makes no sense and is self contradictory" Advaitic nirguna may not make sense in this context, but it certainly makes sense in the upanishadic context. Moreover, you need to show whether any advaitin takes the word nirguna incorrectly in this context.
  
  – Lazy Lubber
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Instead of trying hard to prove Advaita is wrong, concentrate on evolving spiritually with Krishna.
  
  – Akshay S
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @LazyLubber yes in this context only. No advaitin commentator would have misinterpreted it.
  
  – Krishna Varna
  15 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  4
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @AkshayS give that instruction to some of your dear ones as well.
  
  – Krishna Varna
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Sarvabhouma Maybe Sridhara swami
  
  – Lazy Lubber
  14 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 2 more comments

3

First, the context of the verses makes it clear that it is talking about modes of material natures(3 gunas)

See for eg:

SB 10.88.3: Śrī Śukadeva said: Lord Śiva is always united with his
personal energy, the material nature. Manifesting himself in three
features in response to the entreaties of nature’s three modes, he
thus embodies the threefold principle of material ego in goodness,
passion and ignorance.

SB 10.88.4: The sixteen elements have evolved as transformations of
that ego. When a devotee of Lord Śiva worships his manifestation in
any one of these elements, the devotee obtains all sorts of
corresponding enjoyable opulences.

Now, occurs the verse

harir hi nirguṇaḥ sākṣāt puruṣaḥ prakṛteḥ paraḥ sa sarva-dṛg upadraṣṭā
taṁ bhajan nirguṇo bhavet

Since, it is already described in Bhagavatam that Hari has many qualities.

For eg:

ete cānye ca bhagavan nityā yatra mahā-guṇāḥ prārthyā mahattvam
icchadbhir na viyanti sma karhicit

SB 1.16.29: The Lord possesses many other transcendental qualities
which are eternally present and never separated from Him.

Considering the context in which 10.88.5 occurs and the previous descriptions of transcendental qualities of Lord, nirguna can mean above material gunas.

Therefore 10.88.5 can be aptly translated as:

Lord Hari however, the primeval purusa, is transcendental to material
nature and absolutely untouched by the modes. He is the [inner]
witness seeing everything. By worshiping Him one is freed from [the
influence of] the gunas.

Chaitanya Mahprabhu says this in 20th Chapter of madhya lila, Chaitanya Charitamrta

‘śiva’ — māyā-śakti-saṅgī, tamo-guṇāveśa
māyātīta, guṇātīta ‘viṣṇu’ — parameśa

and then quotes the 10.88.5.

Nirguna is interpreted in the same manner by Jiva Goswami, Sanatan Goswami, Viraraghavacharya in the commentary to this verse.

I highly doubt if any advaitin commentator on BHAGAVATAM would have interpreted nirguna to mean 'devoid of qualities' in this straight forward verse.

So, thinking dispassionately,fitting the definition that nirguna means 'quality-less' or 'devoid of qualities' makes no sense and is self contradictory in this context, nirguna translated as 'untouched by three material modes/material qualities' seems apt.

share|improve this answer

edited 12 hours ago

answered 15 hours ago

Krishna VarnaKrishna Varna

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  "So, thinking dispassionately, Advaitic nirguna makes no sense and is self contradictory" Advaitic nirguna may not make sense in this context, but it certainly makes sense in the upanishadic context. Moreover, you need to show whether any advaitin takes the word nirguna incorrectly in this context.
  
  – Lazy Lubber
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Instead of trying hard to prove Advaita is wrong, concentrate on evolving spiritually with Krishna.
  
  – Akshay S
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @LazyLubber yes in this context only. No advaitin commentator would have misinterpreted it.
  
  – Krishna Varna
  15 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  4
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @AkshayS give that instruction to some of your dear ones as well.
  
  – Krishna Varna
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @Sarvabhouma Maybe Sridhara swami
  
  – Lazy Lubber
  14 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 2 more comments

First, the context of the verses makes it clear that it is talking about modes of material natures(3 gunas)

See for eg:

SB 10.88.3: Śrī Śukadeva said: Lord Śiva is always united with his
personal energy, the material nature. Manifesting himself in three
features in response to the entreaties of nature’s three modes, he
thus embodies the threefold principle of material ego in goodness,
passion and ignorance.

SB 10.88.4: The sixteen elements have evolved as transformations of
that ego. When a devotee of Lord Śiva worships his manifestation in
any one of these elements, the devotee obtains all sorts of
corresponding enjoyable opulences.

Now, occurs the verse

harir hi nirguṇaḥ sākṣāt puruṣaḥ prakṛteḥ paraḥ sa sarva-dṛg upadraṣṭā
taṁ bhajan nirguṇo bhavet

Since, it is already described in Bhagavatam that Hari has many qualities.

For eg:

ete cānye ca bhagavan nityā yatra mahā-guṇāḥ prārthyā mahattvam
icchadbhir na viyanti sma karhicit

SB 1.16.29: The Lord possesses many other transcendental qualities
which are eternally present and never separated from Him.

Considering the context in which 10.88.5 occurs and the previous descriptions of transcendental qualities of Lord, nirguna can mean above material gunas.

Therefore 10.88.5 can be aptly translated as:

Lord Hari however, the primeval purusa, is transcendental to material
nature and absolutely untouched by the modes. He is the [inner]
witness seeing everything. By worshiping Him one is freed from [the
influence of] the gunas.

Chaitanya Mahprabhu says this in 20th Chapter of madhya lila, Chaitanya Charitamrta

‘śiva’ — māyā-śakti-saṅgī, tamo-guṇāveśa
māyātīta, guṇātīta ‘viṣṇu’ — parameśa

and then quotes the 10.88.5.

Nirguna is interpreted in the same manner by Jiva Goswami, Sanatan Goswami, Viraraghavacharya in the commentary to this verse.

I highly doubt if any advaitin commentator on BHAGAVATAM would have interpreted nirguna to mean 'devoid of qualities' in this straight forward verse.

So, thinking dispassionately,fitting the definition that nirguna means 'quality-less' or 'devoid of qualities' makes no sense and is self contradictory in this context, nirguna translated as 'untouched by three material modes/material qualities' seems apt.

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