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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest. I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there, so I was thinking, can moose/elk survive in the Amazon rainforest?
They would have been transported by ship there, but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk? Maybe an artificially select species?
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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest. I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there, so I was thinking, can moose/elk survive in the Amazon rainforest?
They would have been transported by ship there, but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk? Maybe an artificially select species?
environment fauna survival domestication mounts
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Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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@Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest. I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there, so I was thinking, can moose/elk survive in the Amazon rainforest?
They would have been transported by ship there, but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk? Maybe an artificially select species?
environment fauna survival domestication mounts
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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest. I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there, so I was thinking, can moose/elk survive in the Amazon rainforest?
They would have been transported by ship there, but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk? Maybe an artificially select species?
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Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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@Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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@Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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– Morris The Cat
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Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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– Cyn
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Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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– Cyn
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@Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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– Onix
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@Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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– Morris The Cat
23 hours ago
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I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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No, but plenty of their relatives can
A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.
Bongo- Lowland Anoa
- Okapi
These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:
Water Buffalo- Asian Elephant
Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:
Baird's Tapir (still alive!)
Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)
Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)
Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)
For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.
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– Willk
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Moose/elks aren't domesticated up here where they are native either, so that's not a big difference.
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– pipe
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afaik there is good evidence that Mooses southern range is limited by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermacentor_albipictus, essentially their way of controlling insects/arachnids is to live where its too cold for them
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– jk.
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Peat bogs are probably worse for bone preservation - but it certainly isn't a good environment.
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Actual brazillian here.
The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.
It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:
- Populated by piranhas;
- Populated by black caimans, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);
- Too polluted to allow for piranhas or caimans.
Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.
Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.
We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.
The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".
When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:
- Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;
- Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;
- Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.
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I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
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Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
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– Cyn
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@Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
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I live in California and I know more about Texas (which I've visited at least) and probably even more about Alaska (which I've never been to) than most Europeans, Asians, etc. There are some places that have a lot of mythology surrounding them. You're close enough to the Amazon not to fall for it.
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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest.
There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará) and they can be used to mount:
They live primarily near farmlands (in the Amazon region), but they have been adapted to live in the same climate as the forest.
[...] but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk?
I don't know about a moose/elk, but a Buffalo would be able to survive, if it is domesticated. In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.
They would have been transported by ship there [...] I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there
There are wild horses in the Amazon:
Forged under the hot climate of that region and struggling against all the threats that have come to them over the past two centuries, the Lavaliers are rustic animals that, according to Embrapa researchers, have developed unique characteristics worthy of study.
A striking feature of the planters is strength and speed . Yes, in addition to being very resilient, they are also excellent sprinters, they can maintain average speed of 60 kilometers per hour for 30 minutes.
The original horses came from Europe, but they have developed unique traits to be able to survive near the jungle.
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– Liam Morris
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Please don't circumvent the reputation system by posting comments as answers. It sucks for newbies, I know, but it's there for a reason.
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Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
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Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
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I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
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Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.
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No, but plenty of their relatives can
A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.
Bongo- Lowland Anoa
- Okapi
These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:
Water Buffalo- Asian Elephant
Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:
Baird's Tapir (still alive!)
Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)
Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)
Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)
For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.
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– Willk
14 hours ago
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Moose/elks aren't domesticated up here where they are native either, so that's not a big difference.
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– pipe
7 hours ago
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afaik there is good evidence that Mooses southern range is limited by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermacentor_albipictus, essentially their way of controlling insects/arachnids is to live where its too cold for them
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– jk.
4 hours ago
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Peat bogs are probably worse for bone preservation - but it certainly isn't a good environment.
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– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
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No, but plenty of their relatives can
A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.
Bongo- Lowland Anoa
- Okapi
These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:
Water Buffalo- Asian Elephant
Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:
Baird's Tapir (still alive!)
Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)
Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)
Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)
For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.
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Shout out for the Glyptodon! Glyptodons rule!
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– Willk
14 hours ago
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Moose/elks aren't domesticated up here where they are native either, so that's not a big difference.
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– pipe
7 hours ago
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afaik there is good evidence that Mooses southern range is limited by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermacentor_albipictus, essentially their way of controlling insects/arachnids is to live where its too cold for them
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– jk.
4 hours ago
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Peat bogs are probably worse for bone preservation - but it certainly isn't a good environment.
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– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
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No, but plenty of their relatives can
A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.
Bongo- Lowland Anoa
- Okapi
These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:
Water Buffalo- Asian Elephant
Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:
Baird's Tapir (still alive!)
Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)
Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)
Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)
For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.
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No, but plenty of their relatives can
A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.
Bongo- Lowland Anoa
- Okapi
These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:
Water Buffalo- Asian Elephant
Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:
Baird's Tapir (still alive!)
Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)
Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)
Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)
For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.
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Shout out for the Glyptodon! Glyptodons rule!
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– Willk
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Moose/elks aren't domesticated up here where they are native either, so that's not a big difference.
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– pipe
7 hours ago
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afaik there is good evidence that Mooses southern range is limited by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermacentor_albipictus, essentially their way of controlling insects/arachnids is to live where its too cold for them
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– jk.
4 hours ago
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Peat bogs are probably worse for bone preservation - but it certainly isn't a good environment.
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– Martin Bonner
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Shout out for the Glyptodon! Glyptodons rule!
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– Willk
14 hours ago
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Moose/elks aren't domesticated up here where they are native either, so that's not a big difference.
$endgroup$
– pipe
7 hours ago
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afaik there is good evidence that Mooses southern range is limited by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermacentor_albipictus, essentially their way of controlling insects/arachnids is to live where its too cold for them
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– jk.
4 hours ago
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Peat bogs are probably worse for bone preservation - but it certainly isn't a good environment.
$endgroup$
– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
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Shout out for the Glyptodon! Glyptodons rule!
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– Willk
14 hours ago
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Shout out for the Glyptodon! Glyptodons rule!
$endgroup$
– Willk
14 hours ago
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Moose/elks aren't domesticated up here where they are native either, so that's not a big difference.
$endgroup$
– pipe
7 hours ago
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Moose/elks aren't domesticated up here where they are native either, so that's not a big difference.
$endgroup$
– pipe
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
afaik there is good evidence that Mooses southern range is limited by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermacentor_albipictus, essentially their way of controlling insects/arachnids is to live where its too cold for them
$endgroup$
– jk.
4 hours ago
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afaik there is good evidence that Mooses southern range is limited by en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermacentor_albipictus, essentially their way of controlling insects/arachnids is to live where its too cold for them
$endgroup$
– jk.
4 hours ago
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Peat bogs are probably worse for bone preservation - but it certainly isn't a good environment.
$endgroup$
– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
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Peat bogs are probably worse for bone preservation - but it certainly isn't a good environment.
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– Martin Bonner
3 hours ago
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Actual brazillian here.
The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.
It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:
- Populated by piranhas;
- Populated by black caimans, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);
- Too polluted to allow for piranhas or caimans.
Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.
Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.
We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.
The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".
When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:
- Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;
- Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;
- Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.
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I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
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– Willk
21 hours ago
4
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Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
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– Cyn
20 hours ago
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@Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
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– Renan
19 hours ago
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I live in California and I know more about Texas (which I've visited at least) and probably even more about Alaska (which I've never been to) than most Europeans, Asians, etc. There are some places that have a lot of mythology surrounding them. You're close enough to the Amazon not to fall for it.
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– Cyn
18 hours ago
add a comment |
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Actual brazillian here.
The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.
It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:
- Populated by piranhas;
- Populated by black caimans, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);
- Too polluted to allow for piranhas or caimans.
Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.
Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.
We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.
The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".
When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:
- Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;
- Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;
- Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.
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I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
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– Willk
21 hours ago
4
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Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
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– Cyn
20 hours ago
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@Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
$endgroup$
– Renan
19 hours ago
$begingroup$
I live in California and I know more about Texas (which I've visited at least) and probably even more about Alaska (which I've never been to) than most Europeans, Asians, etc. There are some places that have a lot of mythology surrounding them. You're close enough to the Amazon not to fall for it.
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– Cyn
18 hours ago
add a comment |
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Actual brazillian here.
The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.
It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:
- Populated by piranhas;
- Populated by black caimans, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);
- Too polluted to allow for piranhas or caimans.
Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.
Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.
We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.
The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".
When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:
- Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;
- Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;
- Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.
$endgroup$
Actual brazillian here.
The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.
It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:
- Populated by piranhas;
- Populated by black caimans, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);
- Too polluted to allow for piranhas or caimans.
Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.
Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.
We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.
The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".
When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:
- Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;
- Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;
- Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.
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answered 23 hours ago
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I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
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– Willk
21 hours ago
4
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Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
20 hours ago
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@Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
$endgroup$
– Renan
19 hours ago
$begingroup$
I live in California and I know more about Texas (which I've visited at least) and probably even more about Alaska (which I've never been to) than most Europeans, Asians, etc. There are some places that have a lot of mythology surrounding them. You're close enough to the Amazon not to fall for it.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
18 hours ago
add a comment |
13
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I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
$endgroup$
– Willk
21 hours ago
4
$begingroup$
Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
20 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
$endgroup$
– Renan
19 hours ago
$begingroup$
I live in California and I know more about Texas (which I've visited at least) and probably even more about Alaska (which I've never been to) than most Europeans, Asians, etc. There are some places that have a lot of mythology surrounding them. You're close enough to the Amazon not to fall for it.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
18 hours ago
13
13
$begingroup$
I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
$endgroup$
– Willk
21 hours ago
$begingroup$
I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
$endgroup$
– Willk
21 hours ago
4
4
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Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
20 hours ago
$begingroup$
Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
20 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
$endgroup$
– Renan
19 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
$endgroup$
– Renan
19 hours ago
$begingroup$
I live in California and I know more about Texas (which I've visited at least) and probably even more about Alaska (which I've never been to) than most Europeans, Asians, etc. There are some places that have a lot of mythology surrounding them. You're close enough to the Amazon not to fall for it.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
18 hours ago
$begingroup$
I live in California and I know more about Texas (which I've visited at least) and probably even more about Alaska (which I've never been to) than most Europeans, Asians, etc. There are some places that have a lot of mythology surrounding them. You're close enough to the Amazon not to fall for it.
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– Cyn
18 hours ago
add a comment |
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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest.
There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará) and they can be used to mount:
They live primarily near farmlands (in the Amazon region), but they have been adapted to live in the same climate as the forest.
[...] but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk?
I don't know about a moose/elk, but a Buffalo would be able to survive, if it is domesticated. In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.
They would have been transported by ship there [...] I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there
There are wild horses in the Amazon:
Forged under the hot climate of that region and struggling against all the threats that have come to them over the past two centuries, the Lavaliers are rustic animals that, according to Embrapa researchers, have developed unique characteristics worthy of study.
A striking feature of the planters is strength and speed . Yes, in addition to being very resilient, they are also excellent sprinters, they can maintain average speed of 60 kilometers per hour for 30 minutes.
The original horses came from Europe, but they have developed unique traits to be able to survive near the jungle.
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This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
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– Liam Morris
23 hours ago
1
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Please don't circumvent the reputation system by posting comments as answers. It sucks for newbies, I know, but it's there for a reason.
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– F1Krazy
22 hours ago
17
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Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
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– Renan
22 hours ago
8
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Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
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– MrSpudtastic
21 hours ago
2
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I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
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– Cyn
20 hours ago
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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest.
There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará) and they can be used to mount:
They live primarily near farmlands (in the Amazon region), but they have been adapted to live in the same climate as the forest.
[...] but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk?
I don't know about a moose/elk, but a Buffalo would be able to survive, if it is domesticated. In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.
They would have been transported by ship there [...] I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there
There are wild horses in the Amazon:
Forged under the hot climate of that region and struggling against all the threats that have come to them over the past two centuries, the Lavaliers are rustic animals that, according to Embrapa researchers, have developed unique characteristics worthy of study.
A striking feature of the planters is strength and speed . Yes, in addition to being very resilient, they are also excellent sprinters, they can maintain average speed of 60 kilometers per hour for 30 minutes.
The original horses came from Europe, but they have developed unique traits to be able to survive near the jungle.
New contributor
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This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
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– Liam Morris
23 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Please don't circumvent the reputation system by posting comments as answers. It sucks for newbies, I know, but it's there for a reason.
$endgroup$
– F1Krazy
22 hours ago
17
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Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
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– Renan
22 hours ago
8
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Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
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– MrSpudtastic
21 hours ago
2
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I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
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– Cyn
20 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest.
There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará) and they can be used to mount:
They live primarily near farmlands (in the Amazon region), but they have been adapted to live in the same climate as the forest.
[...] but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk?
I don't know about a moose/elk, but a Buffalo would be able to survive, if it is domesticated. In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.
They would have been transported by ship there [...] I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there
There are wild horses in the Amazon:
Forged under the hot climate of that region and struggling against all the threats that have come to them over the past two centuries, the Lavaliers are rustic animals that, according to Embrapa researchers, have developed unique characteristics worthy of study.
A striking feature of the planters is strength and speed . Yes, in addition to being very resilient, they are also excellent sprinters, they can maintain average speed of 60 kilometers per hour for 30 minutes.
The original horses came from Europe, but they have developed unique traits to be able to survive near the jungle.
New contributor
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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest.
There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará) and they can be used to mount:
They live primarily near farmlands (in the Amazon region), but they have been adapted to live in the same climate as the forest.
[...] but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk?
I don't know about a moose/elk, but a Buffalo would be able to survive, if it is domesticated. In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.
They would have been transported by ship there [...] I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there
There are wild horses in the Amazon:
Forged under the hot climate of that region and struggling against all the threats that have come to them over the past two centuries, the Lavaliers are rustic animals that, according to Embrapa researchers, have developed unique characteristics worthy of study.
A striking feature of the planters is strength and speed . Yes, in addition to being very resilient, they are also excellent sprinters, they can maintain average speed of 60 kilometers per hour for 30 minutes.
The original horses came from Europe, but they have developed unique traits to be able to survive near the jungle.
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This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
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– Liam Morris
23 hours ago
1
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Please don't circumvent the reputation system by posting comments as answers. It sucks for newbies, I know, but it's there for a reason.
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– F1Krazy
22 hours ago
17
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Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
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– Renan
22 hours ago
8
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Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
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– MrSpudtastic
21 hours ago
2
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I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
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– Cyn
20 hours ago
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show 1 more comment
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This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
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– Liam Morris
23 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Please don't circumvent the reputation system by posting comments as answers. It sucks for newbies, I know, but it's there for a reason.
$endgroup$
– F1Krazy
22 hours ago
17
$begingroup$
Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
$endgroup$
– Renan
22 hours ago
8
$begingroup$
Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
$endgroup$
– MrSpudtastic
21 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
20 hours ago
$begingroup$
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
$endgroup$
– Liam Morris
23 hours ago
$begingroup$
This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
$endgroup$
– Liam Morris
23 hours ago
1
1
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Please don't circumvent the reputation system by posting comments as answers. It sucks for newbies, I know, but it's there for a reason.
$endgroup$
– F1Krazy
22 hours ago
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Please don't circumvent the reputation system by posting comments as answers. It sucks for newbies, I know, but it's there for a reason.
$endgroup$
– F1Krazy
22 hours ago
17
17
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Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
$endgroup$
– Renan
22 hours ago
$begingroup$
Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
$endgroup$
– Renan
22 hours ago
8
8
$begingroup$
Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
$endgroup$
– MrSpudtastic
21 hours ago
$begingroup$
Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
$endgroup$
– MrSpudtastic
21 hours ago
2
2
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I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
20 hours ago
$begingroup$
I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
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– Cyn
20 hours ago
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Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.
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add a comment |
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Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.
$endgroup$
Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.
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Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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– Cyn
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@Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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– Onix
yesterday
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– Frostfyre
23 hours ago
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I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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– Morris The Cat
23 hours ago