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If interest rates go down, then I will buy a house. If I buy a house, I will need
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  • Proposed title edit: Is P → Q, therefore ~P → ~Q a valid argument?

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  • @MiCl I think there is more than that going on in the question. There are two premises not just one. How does one show that the first premise about interest rates does not provide enough information for a valid argument?

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  • What about: “Is P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R a valid argument?”

    – MiCl
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  • @MiCl Yes, "P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R" seems to symbolize the argument.

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  • @MiCl I'm not sure OP knew this is the form of the argument in the post. Formalizing the argument is part of the answer in this case, so I don't think it should be edited into the question.

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  • Proposed title edit: Is P → Q, therefore ~P → ~Q a valid argument?

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  • @MiCl I think there is more than that going on in the question. There are two premises not just one. How does one show that the first premise about interest rates does not provide enough information for a valid argument?

    – Frank Hubeny
    11 hours ago













  • What about: “Is P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R a valid argument?”

    – MiCl
    11 hours ago











  • @MiCl Yes, "P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R" seems to symbolize the argument.

    – Frank Hubeny
    11 hours ago













  • @MiCl I'm not sure OP knew this is the form of the argument in the post. Formalizing the argument is part of the answer in this case, so I don't think it should be edited into the question.

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  • Proposed title edit: Is P → Q, therefore ~P → ~Q a valid argument?

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  • @MiCl I think there is more than that going on in the question. There are two premises not just one. How does one show that the first premise about interest rates does not provide enough information for a valid argument?

    – Frank Hubeny
    11 hours ago













  • What about: “Is P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R a valid argument?”

    – MiCl
    11 hours ago











  • @MiCl Yes, "P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R" seems to symbolize the argument.

    – Frank Hubeny
    11 hours ago













  • @MiCl I'm not sure OP knew this is the form of the argument in the post. Formalizing the argument is part of the answer in this case, so I don't think it should be edited into the question.

    – Eliran
    9 hours ago



















  • Proposed title edit: Is P → Q, therefore ~P → ~Q a valid argument?

    – MiCl
    11 hours ago











  • @MiCl I think there is more than that going on in the question. There are two premises not just one. How does one show that the first premise about interest rates does not provide enough information for a valid argument?

    – Frank Hubeny
    11 hours ago













  • What about: “Is P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R a valid argument?”

    – MiCl
    11 hours ago











  • @MiCl Yes, "P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R" seems to symbolize the argument.

    – Frank Hubeny
    11 hours ago













  • @MiCl I'm not sure OP knew this is the form of the argument in the post. Formalizing the argument is part of the answer in this case, so I don't think it should be edited into the question.

    – Eliran
    9 hours ago

















Proposed title edit: Is P → Q, therefore ~P → ~Q a valid argument?

– MiCl
11 hours ago





Proposed title edit: Is P → Q, therefore ~P → ~Q a valid argument?

– MiCl
11 hours ago













@MiCl I think there is more than that going on in the question. There are two premises not just one. How does one show that the first premise about interest rates does not provide enough information for a valid argument?

– Frank Hubeny
11 hours ago







@MiCl I think there is more than that going on in the question. There are two premises not just one. How does one show that the first premise about interest rates does not provide enough information for a valid argument?

– Frank Hubeny
11 hours ago















What about: “Is P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R a valid argument?”

– MiCl
11 hours ago





What about: “Is P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R a valid argument?”

– MiCl
11 hours ago













@MiCl Yes, "P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R" seems to symbolize the argument.

– Frank Hubeny
11 hours ago







@MiCl Yes, "P → Q, Q → R, therefore ~Q → ~R" seems to symbolize the argument.

– Frank Hubeny
11 hours ago















@MiCl I'm not sure OP knew this is the form of the argument in the post. Formalizing the argument is part of the answer in this case, so I don't think it should be edited into the question.

– Eliran
9 hours ago





@MiCl I'm not sure OP knew this is the form of the argument in the post. Formalizing the argument is part of the answer in this case, so I don't think it should be edited into the question.

– Eliran
9 hours ago










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Is the argument valid?




No.



"I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house" is the same as "If I do not buy a house, then I will not need a loan".



This is not implied by "If I buy a house, I will need a loan".



See Denying the antecedent.






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    Wikipedia describes validity as follows:




    In logic, an argument is valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false.




    The argument we want to test for validity is the following:




    If interest rates go down, then I will buy a house. If I buy a house, I will need a loan. Therefore, I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house.




    This can be broken up into propositions with this symbolization key:




    • R: "Interest rates go down."

    • B: "I will buy a house."

    • L: "I will need a loan."


    If R then B. If B then L. Therefore, if not B then not L.



    We could place the following into a truth table generator. For the truth table generator I am using I would enter the following string:




    ((R=>B)&&(B=>L))=>(~B=>~L)




    This is the result I get:



    enter image description here



    Note the "F" in the third line of the table. This is a line where the premises are true but the conclusion false. Therefore the argument is invalid.





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    Wikipedia contributors. (2019, March 28). Validity (logic). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 18:05, April 15, 2019, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Validity_(logic)&oldid=889899195






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    • Do I understand the third line correctly as "in the event that interest rates don't go down (R=false), and therefore I don't buy a home (B=false), I may still need a loan (L=true)"? That makes sense, as the concrete case the OP seems to be missing is that people get loans for many other purposes.

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    • @JonofAllTrades Yes, that would be a way to view the situation. Then the premises "(R=>B)&&(B=>L)" are true, but the conclusion "~B=>~L" is false. That valuation or assignment of truth values to the propositions makes the argument invalid.

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    The last statement suggests that buying a house is the only reason you would need a loan. Not buying a house does not rule out other reasons for needing a loan. Therefore it's logically false.



    If it were explicitly stated that you would only ever need a loan when buying a house, it would be logically correct, even though it would be potentially false in reality.






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      All the upvoted arguments are valid. Here's just another way of phrasing the answer.



      You start with this:




      • (Lower interests) IMPLIES (purchase house)

      • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)


      You can drop the first one entirely.
      Now you're asking : "Logically, are the following two statements equivalent?"




      • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)

      • (NOT purchase house) IMPLIES (NOT take loan)


      No. They're not logically equivalent.
      The logic concept that you SEEM to want to apply here would be Contraposition (cf. Wikipedia), but it's not applied correctly.



      A correct contraposition of "(Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)" would be : "(NOT take loan) IMPLIES (NOT Purchase house)" (notice how they swapped position when adding the NOT)






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        Is the argument valid?




        No.



        "I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house" is the same as "If I do not buy a house, then I will not need a loan".



        This is not implied by "If I buy a house, I will need a loan".



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          Is the argument valid?




          No.



          "I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house" is the same as "If I do not buy a house, then I will not need a loan".



          This is not implied by "If I buy a house, I will need a loan".



          See Denying the antecedent.






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            Is the argument valid?




            No.



            "I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house" is the same as "If I do not buy a house, then I will not need a loan".



            This is not implied by "If I buy a house, I will need a loan".



            See Denying the antecedent.






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            Is the argument valid?




            No.



            "I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house" is the same as "If I do not buy a house, then I will not need a loan".



            This is not implied by "If I buy a house, I will need a loan".



            See Denying the antecedent.







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                Wikipedia describes validity as follows:




                In logic, an argument is valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false.




                The argument we want to test for validity is the following:




                If interest rates go down, then I will buy a house. If I buy a house, I will need a loan. Therefore, I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house.




                This can be broken up into propositions with this symbolization key:




                • R: "Interest rates go down."

                • B: "I will buy a house."

                • L: "I will need a loan."


                If R then B. If B then L. Therefore, if not B then not L.



                We could place the following into a truth table generator. For the truth table generator I am using I would enter the following string:




                ((R=>B)&&(B=>L))=>(~B=>~L)




                This is the result I get:



                enter image description here



                Note the "F" in the third line of the table. This is a line where the premises are true but the conclusion false. Therefore the argument is invalid.





                Stanford Truth Table Tool http://web.stanford.edu/class/cs103/tools/truth-table-tool/



                Wikipedia contributors. (2019, March 28). Validity (logic). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 18:05, April 15, 2019, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Validity_(logic)&oldid=889899195






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                • Do I understand the third line correctly as "in the event that interest rates don't go down (R=false), and therefore I don't buy a home (B=false), I may still need a loan (L=true)"? That makes sense, as the concrete case the OP seems to be missing is that people get loans for many other purposes.

                  – Jon of All Trades
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                • @JonofAllTrades Yes, that would be a way to view the situation. Then the premises "(R=>B)&&(B=>L)" are true, but the conclusion "~B=>~L" is false. That valuation or assignment of truth values to the propositions makes the argument invalid.

                  – Frank Hubeny
                  11 hours ago
















                5














                Wikipedia describes validity as follows:




                In logic, an argument is valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false.




                The argument we want to test for validity is the following:




                If interest rates go down, then I will buy a house. If I buy a house, I will need a loan. Therefore, I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house.




                This can be broken up into propositions with this symbolization key:




                • R: "Interest rates go down."

                • B: "I will buy a house."

                • L: "I will need a loan."


                If R then B. If B then L. Therefore, if not B then not L.



                We could place the following into a truth table generator. For the truth table generator I am using I would enter the following string:




                ((R=>B)&&(B=>L))=>(~B=>~L)




                This is the result I get:



                enter image description here



                Note the "F" in the third line of the table. This is a line where the premises are true but the conclusion false. Therefore the argument is invalid.





                Stanford Truth Table Tool http://web.stanford.edu/class/cs103/tools/truth-table-tool/



                Wikipedia contributors. (2019, March 28). Validity (logic). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 18:05, April 15, 2019, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Validity_(logic)&oldid=889899195






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                • Do I understand the third line correctly as "in the event that interest rates don't go down (R=false), and therefore I don't buy a home (B=false), I may still need a loan (L=true)"? That makes sense, as the concrete case the OP seems to be missing is that people get loans for many other purposes.

                  – Jon of All Trades
                  11 hours ago











                • @JonofAllTrades Yes, that would be a way to view the situation. Then the premises "(R=>B)&&(B=>L)" are true, but the conclusion "~B=>~L" is false. That valuation or assignment of truth values to the propositions makes the argument invalid.

                  – Frank Hubeny
                  11 hours ago














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                5







                Wikipedia describes validity as follows:




                In logic, an argument is valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false.




                The argument we want to test for validity is the following:




                If interest rates go down, then I will buy a house. If I buy a house, I will need a loan. Therefore, I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house.




                This can be broken up into propositions with this symbolization key:




                • R: "Interest rates go down."

                • B: "I will buy a house."

                • L: "I will need a loan."


                If R then B. If B then L. Therefore, if not B then not L.



                We could place the following into a truth table generator. For the truth table generator I am using I would enter the following string:




                ((R=>B)&&(B=>L))=>(~B=>~L)




                This is the result I get:



                enter image description here



                Note the "F" in the third line of the table. This is a line where the premises are true but the conclusion false. Therefore the argument is invalid.





                Stanford Truth Table Tool http://web.stanford.edu/class/cs103/tools/truth-table-tool/



                Wikipedia contributors. (2019, March 28). Validity (logic). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 18:05, April 15, 2019, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Validity_(logic)&oldid=889899195






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                Wikipedia describes validity as follows:




                In logic, an argument is valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false.




                The argument we want to test for validity is the following:




                If interest rates go down, then I will buy a house. If I buy a house, I will need a loan. Therefore, I will not need a loan if I do not buy a house.




                This can be broken up into propositions with this symbolization key:




                • R: "Interest rates go down."

                • B: "I will buy a house."

                • L: "I will need a loan."


                If R then B. If B then L. Therefore, if not B then not L.



                We could place the following into a truth table generator. For the truth table generator I am using I would enter the following string:




                ((R=>B)&&(B=>L))=>(~B=>~L)




                This is the result I get:



                enter image description here



                Note the "F" in the third line of the table. This is a line where the premises are true but the conclusion false. Therefore the argument is invalid.





                Stanford Truth Table Tool http://web.stanford.edu/class/cs103/tools/truth-table-tool/



                Wikipedia contributors. (2019, March 28). Validity (logic). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 18:05, April 15, 2019, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Validity_(logic)&oldid=889899195







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                • Do I understand the third line correctly as "in the event that interest rates don't go down (R=false), and therefore I don't buy a home (B=false), I may still need a loan (L=true)"? That makes sense, as the concrete case the OP seems to be missing is that people get loans for many other purposes.

                  – Jon of All Trades
                  11 hours ago











                • @JonofAllTrades Yes, that would be a way to view the situation. Then the premises "(R=>B)&&(B=>L)" are true, but the conclusion "~B=>~L" is false. That valuation or assignment of truth values to the propositions makes the argument invalid.

                  – Frank Hubeny
                  11 hours ago



















                • Do I understand the third line correctly as "in the event that interest rates don't go down (R=false), and therefore I don't buy a home (B=false), I may still need a loan (L=true)"? That makes sense, as the concrete case the OP seems to be missing is that people get loans for many other purposes.

                  – Jon of All Trades
                  11 hours ago











                • @JonofAllTrades Yes, that would be a way to view the situation. Then the premises "(R=>B)&&(B=>L)" are true, but the conclusion "~B=>~L" is false. That valuation or assignment of truth values to the propositions makes the argument invalid.

                  – Frank Hubeny
                  11 hours ago

















                Do I understand the third line correctly as "in the event that interest rates don't go down (R=false), and therefore I don't buy a home (B=false), I may still need a loan (L=true)"? That makes sense, as the concrete case the OP seems to be missing is that people get loans for many other purposes.

                – Jon of All Trades
                11 hours ago





                Do I understand the third line correctly as "in the event that interest rates don't go down (R=false), and therefore I don't buy a home (B=false), I may still need a loan (L=true)"? That makes sense, as the concrete case the OP seems to be missing is that people get loans for many other purposes.

                – Jon of All Trades
                11 hours ago













                @JonofAllTrades Yes, that would be a way to view the situation. Then the premises "(R=>B)&&(B=>L)" are true, but the conclusion "~B=>~L" is false. That valuation or assignment of truth values to the propositions makes the argument invalid.

                – Frank Hubeny
                11 hours ago





                @JonofAllTrades Yes, that would be a way to view the situation. Then the premises "(R=>B)&&(B=>L)" are true, but the conclusion "~B=>~L" is false. That valuation or assignment of truth values to the propositions makes the argument invalid.

                – Frank Hubeny
                11 hours ago











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                The last statement suggests that buying a house is the only reason you would need a loan. Not buying a house does not rule out other reasons for needing a loan. Therefore it's logically false.



                If it were explicitly stated that you would only ever need a loan when buying a house, it would be logically correct, even though it would be potentially false in reality.






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                  The last statement suggests that buying a house is the only reason you would need a loan. Not buying a house does not rule out other reasons for needing a loan. Therefore it's logically false.



                  If it were explicitly stated that you would only ever need a loan when buying a house, it would be logically correct, even though it would be potentially false in reality.






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                    The last statement suggests that buying a house is the only reason you would need a loan. Not buying a house does not rule out other reasons for needing a loan. Therefore it's logically false.



                    If it were explicitly stated that you would only ever need a loan when buying a house, it would be logically correct, even though it would be potentially false in reality.






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                    The last statement suggests that buying a house is the only reason you would need a loan. Not buying a house does not rule out other reasons for needing a loan. Therefore it's logically false.



                    If it were explicitly stated that you would only ever need a loan when buying a house, it would be logically correct, even though it would be potentially false in reality.







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                        All the upvoted arguments are valid. Here's just another way of phrasing the answer.



                        You start with this:




                        • (Lower interests) IMPLIES (purchase house)

                        • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)


                        You can drop the first one entirely.
                        Now you're asking : "Logically, are the following two statements equivalent?"




                        • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)

                        • (NOT purchase house) IMPLIES (NOT take loan)


                        No. They're not logically equivalent.
                        The logic concept that you SEEM to want to apply here would be Contraposition (cf. Wikipedia), but it's not applied correctly.



                        A correct contraposition of "(Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)" would be : "(NOT take loan) IMPLIES (NOT Purchase house)" (notice how they swapped position when adding the NOT)






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                          All the upvoted arguments are valid. Here's just another way of phrasing the answer.



                          You start with this:




                          • (Lower interests) IMPLIES (purchase house)

                          • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)


                          You can drop the first one entirely.
                          Now you're asking : "Logically, are the following two statements equivalent?"




                          • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)

                          • (NOT purchase house) IMPLIES (NOT take loan)


                          No. They're not logically equivalent.
                          The logic concept that you SEEM to want to apply here would be Contraposition (cf. Wikipedia), but it's not applied correctly.



                          A correct contraposition of "(Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)" would be : "(NOT take loan) IMPLIES (NOT Purchase house)" (notice how they swapped position when adding the NOT)






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                            All the upvoted arguments are valid. Here's just another way of phrasing the answer.



                            You start with this:




                            • (Lower interests) IMPLIES (purchase house)

                            • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)


                            You can drop the first one entirely.
                            Now you're asking : "Logically, are the following two statements equivalent?"




                            • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)

                            • (NOT purchase house) IMPLIES (NOT take loan)


                            No. They're not logically equivalent.
                            The logic concept that you SEEM to want to apply here would be Contraposition (cf. Wikipedia), but it's not applied correctly.



                            A correct contraposition of "(Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)" would be : "(NOT take loan) IMPLIES (NOT Purchase house)" (notice how they swapped position when adding the NOT)






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                            All the upvoted arguments are valid. Here's just another way of phrasing the answer.



                            You start with this:




                            • (Lower interests) IMPLIES (purchase house)

                            • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)


                            You can drop the first one entirely.
                            Now you're asking : "Logically, are the following two statements equivalent?"




                            • (Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)

                            • (NOT purchase house) IMPLIES (NOT take loan)


                            No. They're not logically equivalent.
                            The logic concept that you SEEM to want to apply here would be Contraposition (cf. Wikipedia), but it's not applied correctly.



                            A correct contraposition of "(Purchase house) IMPLIES (take loan)" would be : "(NOT take loan) IMPLIES (NOT Purchase house)" (notice how they swapped position when adding the NOT)







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