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On our world, human minds can be transferred intact into animals. It was originally intended for people with medical conditions, but some genius thought it would be clever to store violent prisoners as fish, in large tanks. Well, it's because the prison had two salmon doctors due to their sideline activism in fish-habitat restoration (trying to blow up a dam). So, for their docile animal, the prison selected atlantic salmon, 13 year lifespan, and the minds are re-transferred as needed to young healthy fish.
Then, the hurricane or tsunami came. Having thought of, planned and practiced for a similar escape plan, the prisoners knew exactly what to do. They used the storm surge, and the absolute chaos on the human side, to slip their pens and escape to open ocean.
Several are asking if they plan to use the short-term storm surge to swim around the city to cause landside mayhem; nope. They are terrified the water will recede at any moment, and they don't want to end up gasping on a sidewalk. Their only plan during the storm surge is to get to open ocean. Their dream made real, only now do they scheme.
Now they have their human knowledge of geography and full access to any ocean on earth, access to inland waterways that are not blocked to fish, and the knowledge to navigate locks when humans open them. Salmon can operate in both salt and fresh water.
Remember, they are human-smart, and nobody needs to explain the Prisoner's Dilemma to them. They have team defenses against birds and other predators. The two salmon doctors are respected, and have prepared everyone well for life outside. These prisoners are not going to die of stupidity/not knowing how to be a salmon.
Now you have a gang of human-smart, human-experienced, very vengeful salt water/fresh water fish who want to cause civilized society as much trouble as possible. What harm could they do?
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On our world, human minds can be transferred intact into animals. It was originally intended for people with medical conditions, but some genius thought it would be clever to store violent prisoners as fish, in large tanks. Well, it's because the prison had two salmon doctors due to their sideline activism in fish-habitat restoration (trying to blow up a dam). So, for their docile animal, the prison selected atlantic salmon, 13 year lifespan, and the minds are re-transferred as needed to young healthy fish.
Then, the hurricane or tsunami came. Having thought of, planned and practiced for a similar escape plan, the prisoners knew exactly what to do. They used the storm surge, and the absolute chaos on the human side, to slip their pens and escape to open ocean.
Several are asking if they plan to use the short-term storm surge to swim around the city to cause landside mayhem; nope. They are terrified the water will recede at any moment, and they don't want to end up gasping on a sidewalk. Their only plan during the storm surge is to get to open ocean. Their dream made real, only now do they scheme.
Now they have their human knowledge of geography and full access to any ocean on earth, access to inland waterways that are not blocked to fish, and the knowledge to navigate locks when humans open them. Salmon can operate in both salt and fresh water.
Remember, they are human-smart, and nobody needs to explain the Prisoner's Dilemma to them. They have team defenses against birds and other predators. The two salmon doctors are respected, and have prepared everyone well for life outside. These prisoners are not going to die of stupidity/not knowing how to be a salmon.
Now you have a gang of human-smart, human-experienced, very vengeful salt water/fresh water fish who want to cause civilized society as much trouble as possible. What harm could they do?
fauna brain evil
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This may or may not be relevant, but for a salmon, swimming up a river as an adult is a one-way "suicide" mission. They then spawn and die. The do not survive to return to salt-water. It's sea-trout that can swim between salt and fresh water repeatedly and with no ill effects.
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– nigel222
22 hours ago
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Fish jumping outside of watter can easly stun a man. Target yatch, politics and celebrities. If you can get a lion fish poisonous fin.. Aim the carotid. No one will see you comming.
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– xdtTransform
21 hours ago
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Are kamikaze/suicide attacks possible, or they refuse to die for the cause? There are sunken ships all around the world full of ammunition. Messing with one of them can cause serious trouble. Blow up the one in London, maybe along with a few others around the same time, and people will blame some terrorist group for the attacks.
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– Nyos
8 hours ago
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Should we assume these fish can communicate with each other fluently? And if so, is communicating to humans possible?
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On our world, human minds can be transferred intact into animals. It was originally intended for people with medical conditions, but some genius thought it would be clever to store violent prisoners as fish, in large tanks. Well, it's because the prison had two salmon doctors due to their sideline activism in fish-habitat restoration (trying to blow up a dam). So, for their docile animal, the prison selected atlantic salmon, 13 year lifespan, and the minds are re-transferred as needed to young healthy fish.
Then, the hurricane or tsunami came. Having thought of, planned and practiced for a similar escape plan, the prisoners knew exactly what to do. They used the storm surge, and the absolute chaos on the human side, to slip their pens and escape to open ocean.
Several are asking if they plan to use the short-term storm surge to swim around the city to cause landside mayhem; nope. They are terrified the water will recede at any moment, and they don't want to end up gasping on a sidewalk. Their only plan during the storm surge is to get to open ocean. Their dream made real, only now do they scheme.
Now they have their human knowledge of geography and full access to any ocean on earth, access to inland waterways that are not blocked to fish, and the knowledge to navigate locks when humans open them. Salmon can operate in both salt and fresh water.
Remember, they are human-smart, and nobody needs to explain the Prisoner's Dilemma to them. They have team defenses against birds and other predators. The two salmon doctors are respected, and have prepared everyone well for life outside. These prisoners are not going to die of stupidity/not knowing how to be a salmon.
Now you have a gang of human-smart, human-experienced, very vengeful salt water/fresh water fish who want to cause civilized society as much trouble as possible. What harm could they do?
fauna brain evil
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On our world, human minds can be transferred intact into animals. It was originally intended for people with medical conditions, but some genius thought it would be clever to store violent prisoners as fish, in large tanks. Well, it's because the prison had two salmon doctors due to their sideline activism in fish-habitat restoration (trying to blow up a dam). So, for their docile animal, the prison selected atlantic salmon, 13 year lifespan, and the minds are re-transferred as needed to young healthy fish.
Then, the hurricane or tsunami came. Having thought of, planned and practiced for a similar escape plan, the prisoners knew exactly what to do. They used the storm surge, and the absolute chaos on the human side, to slip their pens and escape to open ocean.
Several are asking if they plan to use the short-term storm surge to swim around the city to cause landside mayhem; nope. They are terrified the water will recede at any moment, and they don't want to end up gasping on a sidewalk. Their only plan during the storm surge is to get to open ocean. Their dream made real, only now do they scheme.
Now they have their human knowledge of geography and full access to any ocean on earth, access to inland waterways that are not blocked to fish, and the knowledge to navigate locks when humans open them. Salmon can operate in both salt and fresh water.
Remember, they are human-smart, and nobody needs to explain the Prisoner's Dilemma to them. They have team defenses against birds and other predators. The two salmon doctors are respected, and have prepared everyone well for life outside. These prisoners are not going to die of stupidity/not knowing how to be a salmon.
Now you have a gang of human-smart, human-experienced, very vengeful salt water/fresh water fish who want to cause civilized society as much trouble as possible. What harm could they do?
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– L.Dutch♦
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This may or may not be relevant, but for a salmon, swimming up a river as an adult is a one-way "suicide" mission. They then spawn and die. The do not survive to return to salt-water. It's sea-trout that can swim between salt and fresh water repeatedly and with no ill effects.
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– nigel222
22 hours ago
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Fish jumping outside of watter can easly stun a man. Target yatch, politics and celebrities. If you can get a lion fish poisonous fin.. Aim the carotid. No one will see you comming.
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– xdtTransform
21 hours ago
1
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Are kamikaze/suicide attacks possible, or they refuse to die for the cause? There are sunken ships all around the world full of ammunition. Messing with one of them can cause serious trouble. Blow up the one in London, maybe along with a few others around the same time, and people will blame some terrorist group for the attacks.
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– Nyos
8 hours ago
1
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Should we assume these fish can communicate with each other fluently? And if so, is communicating to humans possible?
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– rek
5 hours ago
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
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– L.Dutch♦
yesterday
1
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This may or may not be relevant, but for a salmon, swimming up a river as an adult is a one-way "suicide" mission. They then spawn and die. The do not survive to return to salt-water. It's sea-trout that can swim between salt and fresh water repeatedly and with no ill effects.
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– nigel222
22 hours ago
1
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Fish jumping outside of watter can easly stun a man. Target yatch, politics and celebrities. If you can get a lion fish poisonous fin.. Aim the carotid. No one will see you comming.
$endgroup$
– xdtTransform
21 hours ago
1
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Are kamikaze/suicide attacks possible, or they refuse to die for the cause? There are sunken ships all around the world full of ammunition. Messing with one of them can cause serious trouble. Blow up the one in London, maybe along with a few others around the same time, and people will blame some terrorist group for the attacks.
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– Nyos
8 hours ago
1
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Should we assume these fish can communicate with each other fluently? And if so, is communicating to humans possible?
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– rek
5 hours ago
1
1
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
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– L.Dutch♦
yesterday
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
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– L.Dutch♦
yesterday
1
1
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This may or may not be relevant, but for a salmon, swimming up a river as an adult is a one-way "suicide" mission. They then spawn and die. The do not survive to return to salt-water. It's sea-trout that can swim between salt and fresh water repeatedly and with no ill effects.
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– nigel222
22 hours ago
$begingroup$
This may or may not be relevant, but for a salmon, swimming up a river as an adult is a one-way "suicide" mission. They then spawn and die. The do not survive to return to salt-water. It's sea-trout that can swim between salt and fresh water repeatedly and with no ill effects.
$endgroup$
– nigel222
22 hours ago
1
1
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Fish jumping outside of watter can easly stun a man. Target yatch, politics and celebrities. If you can get a lion fish poisonous fin.. Aim the carotid. No one will see you comming.
$endgroup$
– xdtTransform
21 hours ago
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Fish jumping outside of watter can easly stun a man. Target yatch, politics and celebrities. If you can get a lion fish poisonous fin.. Aim the carotid. No one will see you comming.
$endgroup$
– xdtTransform
21 hours ago
1
1
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Are kamikaze/suicide attacks possible, or they refuse to die for the cause? There are sunken ships all around the world full of ammunition. Messing with one of them can cause serious trouble. Blow up the one in London, maybe along with a few others around the same time, and people will blame some terrorist group for the attacks.
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– Nyos
8 hours ago
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Are kamikaze/suicide attacks possible, or they refuse to die for the cause? There are sunken ships all around the world full of ammunition. Messing with one of them can cause serious trouble. Blow up the one in London, maybe along with a few others around the same time, and people will blame some terrorist group for the attacks.
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– Nyos
8 hours ago
1
1
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Should we assume these fish can communicate with each other fluently? And if so, is communicating to humans possible?
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– rek
5 hours ago
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Should we assume these fish can communicate with each other fluently? And if so, is communicating to humans possible?
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Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:
The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.
Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
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"be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons" - made my day
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– abyss.7
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Is it even possible for a school of fish to be misidentified as a submarine? I was under the impression that submarines are usually identified by their noise signature rather than their outline on sonar. A school of salmon won't sound anything like a submarine. It'd be a pretty outrageous overreaction to launch missiles randomly at perceived enemies because there's an unidentifiable vessel in your bay. Who do you even target?
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@NuclearWang. Well, if it was rational, it would be a reaction, not an overreaction. The goal is to try many times, so you can eventually find someone in the right mental state or circumstances to actually do it.
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– Mad Physicist
18 hours ago
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@Legisey Now we're bordering on a Dr. Strangelovian caricature of military protocols. Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button. The probability that an unidentifiable vessel taking no aggressive action would spark a nuclear war is very low, and gets less likely the more this tactic is attempted.
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– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
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@NuclearWang "Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button" Are you sure about that? I hear bad things about some president with orange skin.
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– Christian
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Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
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I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
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– Harper
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There are lots of waterways a group of mischievous fish could clog up and do serious damage to (damn outflows, water treatment intakes, etc.)
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– Garrett Motzner
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Do you mean dam outflows, or do you just hate outflows? ;)
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– Adrian Zhang
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This brings a whole new meaning to "Swedish fish"!
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– Mason Wheeler
17 hours ago
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Would this be a suicide mission, or do the fish have some means of clogging the pipes without sacrificing themselves?
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What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
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Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
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– Harper
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"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
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– chasly from UK
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@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
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– Shadowzee
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@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
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@chaslyfromUK You bit them on the tail and drag them over? steal the babies and take them over? Steal the eggs and take them over? Pay a fisherman to illegally dump them? Lure some horny sailors transporting catfish into a reef, thus freeing them? Purchase an AD on google for Hot Catfish singles in your area, but the area is the eco system you want to target? Doesn't even need to be catfish. Thats just the first invasive species I thought of.
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Well, I'm sorry to say, but the world as you know it, is in deeper trouble than you think. The fishes just need to follow a simple 2-step process.
Step 1: Try get back into a human body.
Given that "The business of mind storage [has] become a profitable one", it would be fair to assume that the technology to do so would be fairly easily accessible. So our fishes just need to find an ally, and convey to them that they need to be transferred to a human body!
The ally could be their evil friends outside prison who are still escaping the law-enforcement, or could be a rogue nation who wants to hurt rest of the world. I'm sure the fishes have had enough time to identify potential help, and ways to communicate their message.
Step 2: Cause mayhem (with your human bodies)!
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They could potentially even dupe someone into thinking they were innocents trapped in the fish bodies. If they can figure out a good way to communicate (scratching in the dirt, nosing letters on a tablet, etc)
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– GrandmasterB
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Taste great, and incalculably and capriciously be sometimes extremely poisonous (which seems to be dependent on what you eat as a fish in some cases)...
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When the mayhem I can cause as a criminal salmon hinges entirely on my ability to commit suicide in a specific manner (being caught by fishermen and sold to a grocery/restaurant or be otherwise made available for human consumption)... well the end result is a far cry from the strategies that trigger nuclear war.
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11 hours ago
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Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:
The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.
Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
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"be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons" - made my day
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– abyss.7
yesterday
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Is it even possible for a school of fish to be misidentified as a submarine? I was under the impression that submarines are usually identified by their noise signature rather than their outline on sonar. A school of salmon won't sound anything like a submarine. It'd be a pretty outrageous overreaction to launch missiles randomly at perceived enemies because there's an unidentifiable vessel in your bay. Who do you even target?
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– Nuclear Wang
21 hours ago
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@NuclearWang. Well, if it was rational, it would be a reaction, not an overreaction. The goal is to try many times, so you can eventually find someone in the right mental state or circumstances to actually do it.
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– Mad Physicist
18 hours ago
4
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@Legisey Now we're bordering on a Dr. Strangelovian caricature of military protocols. Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button. The probability that an unidentifiable vessel taking no aggressive action would spark a nuclear war is very low, and gets less likely the more this tactic is attempted.
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– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
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@NuclearWang "Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button" Are you sure about that? I hear bad things about some president with orange skin.
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– Christian
14 hours ago
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Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:
The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.
Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
$endgroup$
8
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"be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons" - made my day
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– abyss.7
yesterday
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Is it even possible for a school of fish to be misidentified as a submarine? I was under the impression that submarines are usually identified by their noise signature rather than their outline on sonar. A school of salmon won't sound anything like a submarine. It'd be a pretty outrageous overreaction to launch missiles randomly at perceived enemies because there's an unidentifiable vessel in your bay. Who do you even target?
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– Nuclear Wang
21 hours ago
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@NuclearWang. Well, if it was rational, it would be a reaction, not an overreaction. The goal is to try many times, so you can eventually find someone in the right mental state or circumstances to actually do it.
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– Mad Physicist
18 hours ago
4
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@Legisey Now we're bordering on a Dr. Strangelovian caricature of military protocols. Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button. The probability that an unidentifiable vessel taking no aggressive action would spark a nuclear war is very low, and gets less likely the more this tactic is attempted.
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– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
3
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@NuclearWang "Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button" Are you sure about that? I hear bad things about some president with orange skin.
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– Christian
14 hours ago
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Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:
The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.
Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
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Make someone overreact
So you swim to North Korea (hopefully the tank was not too far). Once there, you regroup in the shape of a submarine and you slowly approach any US/Japanese/Chinese/North Korean/South Korean warship you can find. Hope someone overreact and press the wrong button. If not, try again.
Playing with nerves
Also every time you see soldiers on small rafts in the area, you capsize them and make them disappear to the bottom of the ocean. This will help people press the wrong button sooner or later.
These kind of boat or smaller would probably be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons:
The holy grail
There is one thing that if you can manage to find, will help you achieve your goal much faster. A water mine!
Maybe there will be some in proximity of some secret North Korean's navy facilities. Find one, bring it in the path of any large warship in the area, and swim away fast.
Escalation
Then let's relax and watch the escalation of violence turn into a nuclear war, naughty salmons.
edited yesterday
answered yesterday
LegiseyLegisey
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"be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons" - made my day
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– abyss.7
yesterday
13
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Is it even possible for a school of fish to be misidentified as a submarine? I was under the impression that submarines are usually identified by their noise signature rather than their outline on sonar. A school of salmon won't sound anything like a submarine. It'd be a pretty outrageous overreaction to launch missiles randomly at perceived enemies because there's an unidentifiable vessel in your bay. Who do you even target?
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– Nuclear Wang
21 hours ago
1
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@NuclearWang. Well, if it was rational, it would be a reaction, not an overreaction. The goal is to try many times, so you can eventually find someone in the right mental state or circumstances to actually do it.
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– Mad Physicist
18 hours ago
4
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@Legisey Now we're bordering on a Dr. Strangelovian caricature of military protocols. Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button. The probability that an unidentifiable vessel taking no aggressive action would spark a nuclear war is very low, and gets less likely the more this tactic is attempted.
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– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
3
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@NuclearWang "Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button" Are you sure about that? I hear bad things about some president with orange skin.
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– Christian
14 hours ago
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"be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons" - made my day
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– abyss.7
yesterday
13
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Is it even possible for a school of fish to be misidentified as a submarine? I was under the impression that submarines are usually identified by their noise signature rather than their outline on sonar. A school of salmon won't sound anything like a submarine. It'd be a pretty outrageous overreaction to launch missiles randomly at perceived enemies because there's an unidentifiable vessel in your bay. Who do you even target?
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– Nuclear Wang
21 hours ago
1
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@NuclearWang. Well, if it was rational, it would be a reaction, not an overreaction. The goal is to try many times, so you can eventually find someone in the right mental state or circumstances to actually do it.
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– Mad Physicist
18 hours ago
4
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@Legisey Now we're bordering on a Dr. Strangelovian caricature of military protocols. Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button. The probability that an unidentifiable vessel taking no aggressive action would spark a nuclear war is very low, and gets less likely the more this tactic is attempted.
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– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
3
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@NuclearWang "Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button" Are you sure about that? I hear bad things about some president with orange skin.
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– Christian
14 hours ago
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8
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"be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons" - made my day
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– abyss.7
yesterday
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"be possible to capsize by a sufficient amount of well coordinated salmons" - made my day
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– abyss.7
yesterday
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13
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Is it even possible for a school of fish to be misidentified as a submarine? I was under the impression that submarines are usually identified by their noise signature rather than their outline on sonar. A school of salmon won't sound anything like a submarine. It'd be a pretty outrageous overreaction to launch missiles randomly at perceived enemies because there's an unidentifiable vessel in your bay. Who do you even target?
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– Nuclear Wang
21 hours ago
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Is it even possible for a school of fish to be misidentified as a submarine? I was under the impression that submarines are usually identified by their noise signature rather than their outline on sonar. A school of salmon won't sound anything like a submarine. It'd be a pretty outrageous overreaction to launch missiles randomly at perceived enemies because there's an unidentifiable vessel in your bay. Who do you even target?
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– Nuclear Wang
21 hours ago
1
1
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@NuclearWang. Well, if it was rational, it would be a reaction, not an overreaction. The goal is to try many times, so you can eventually find someone in the right mental state or circumstances to actually do it.
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– Mad Physicist
18 hours ago
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@NuclearWang. Well, if it was rational, it would be a reaction, not an overreaction. The goal is to try many times, so you can eventually find someone in the right mental state or circumstances to actually do it.
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– Mad Physicist
18 hours ago
4
4
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@Legisey Now we're bordering on a Dr. Strangelovian caricature of military protocols. Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button. The probability that an unidentifiable vessel taking no aggressive action would spark a nuclear war is very low, and gets less likely the more this tactic is attempted.
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– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
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@Legisey Now we're bordering on a Dr. Strangelovian caricature of military protocols. Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button. The probability that an unidentifiable vessel taking no aggressive action would spark a nuclear war is very low, and gets less likely the more this tactic is attempted.
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– Nuclear Wang
16 hours ago
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3
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@NuclearWang "Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button" Are you sure about that? I hear bad things about some president with orange skin.
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– Christian
14 hours ago
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@NuclearWang "Nuclear missile launches are not the result of one jittery guy hovering his hand inches above a big red button" Are you sure about that? I hear bad things about some president with orange skin.
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– Christian
14 hours ago
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Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
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I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
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– Harper
yesterday
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There are lots of waterways a group of mischievous fish could clog up and do serious damage to (damn outflows, water treatment intakes, etc.)
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– Garrett Motzner
yesterday
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Do you mean dam outflows, or do you just hate outflows? ;)
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– Adrian Zhang
yesterday
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This brings a whole new meaning to "Swedish fish"!
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– Mason Wheeler
17 hours ago
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Would this be a suicide mission, or do the fish have some means of clogging the pipes without sacrificing themselves?
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– ApproachingDarknessFish
8 hours ago
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Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
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I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
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– Harper
yesterday
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There are lots of waterways a group of mischievous fish could clog up and do serious damage to (damn outflows, water treatment intakes, etc.)
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– Garrett Motzner
yesterday
12
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Do you mean dam outflows, or do you just hate outflows? ;)
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– Adrian Zhang
yesterday
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This brings a whole new meaning to "Swedish fish"!
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– Mason Wheeler
17 hours ago
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Would this be a suicide mission, or do the fish have some means of clogging the pipes without sacrificing themselves?
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– ApproachingDarknessFish
8 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
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Let's shut down and/or melt-down some nuclear power plants.
Heck if some brainless Swedish jellyfish could do it in 2013, surely a gang of criminal salmon can manage!
answered yesterday
RogerRoger
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I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
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– Harper
yesterday
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There are lots of waterways a group of mischievous fish could clog up and do serious damage to (damn outflows, water treatment intakes, etc.)
$endgroup$
– Garrett Motzner
yesterday
12
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Do you mean dam outflows, or do you just hate outflows? ;)
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– Adrian Zhang
yesterday
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This brings a whole new meaning to "Swedish fish"!
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– Mason Wheeler
17 hours ago
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Would this be a suicide mission, or do the fish have some means of clogging the pipes without sacrificing themselves?
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– ApproachingDarknessFish
8 hours ago
add a comment |
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I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
$endgroup$
– Harper
yesterday
$begingroup$
There are lots of waterways a group of mischievous fish could clog up and do serious damage to (damn outflows, water treatment intakes, etc.)
$endgroup$
– Garrett Motzner
yesterday
12
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Do you mean dam outflows, or do you just hate outflows? ;)
$endgroup$
– Adrian Zhang
yesterday
$begingroup$
This brings a whole new meaning to "Swedish fish"!
$endgroup$
– Mason Wheeler
17 hours ago
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Would this be a suicide mission, or do the fish have some means of clogging the pipes without sacrificing themselves?
$endgroup$
– ApproachingDarknessFish
8 hours ago
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I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
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– Harper
yesterday
$begingroup$
I thought of what they could do to bridges or anything that interchanged seawater for cooling, especially after they find a sunken ship full of WWII hand grenades or something...
$endgroup$
– Harper
yesterday
$begingroup$
There are lots of waterways a group of mischievous fish could clog up and do serious damage to (damn outflows, water treatment intakes, etc.)
$endgroup$
– Garrett Motzner
yesterday
$begingroup$
There are lots of waterways a group of mischievous fish could clog up and do serious damage to (damn outflows, water treatment intakes, etc.)
$endgroup$
– Garrett Motzner
yesterday
12
12
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Do you mean dam outflows, or do you just hate outflows? ;)
$endgroup$
– Adrian Zhang
yesterday
$begingroup$
Do you mean dam outflows, or do you just hate outflows? ;)
$endgroup$
– Adrian Zhang
yesterday
$begingroup$
This brings a whole new meaning to "Swedish fish"!
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– Mason Wheeler
17 hours ago
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This brings a whole new meaning to "Swedish fish"!
$endgroup$
– Mason Wheeler
17 hours ago
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Would this be a suicide mission, or do the fish have some means of clogging the pipes without sacrificing themselves?
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– ApproachingDarknessFish
8 hours ago
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Would this be a suicide mission, or do the fish have some means of clogging the pipes without sacrificing themselves?
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– ApproachingDarknessFish
8 hours ago
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What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
yesterday
add a comment |
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What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
yesterday
add a comment |
$begingroup$
What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
$endgroup$
What harm can they do?
Not much. They lack arms/hands and legs/feet. Their ways of communicating will be limited, and whatever they come up with according
forcing them to work together to learn to communicate
that will be some form of communication which works for the giants fish tanks they're being held in. Not a vast ocean.
Besides, most species of salmon only live a few years. The longer the prisoners/salmon had to make plans, the elderly they are.
It's far more likely they will quickly end up as food, or succumb to parasites.
answered yesterday
AbigailAbigail
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
yesterday
add a comment |
1
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
yesterday
1
1
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
yesterday
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These are fair concerns. I edited my question to clarify that communication is viable, they are young specimens of long-lived species, and they are the opposite of dumb fish. They know what to eat, what not to do, how to use tools, and how to effectively fight predators.
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– Harper
yesterday
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Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
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Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
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– Harper
yesterday
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"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
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– chasly from UK
yesterday
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@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
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– Shadowzee
yesterday
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@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
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– chasly from UK
yesterday
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@chaslyfromUK You bit them on the tail and drag them over? steal the babies and take them over? Steal the eggs and take them over? Pay a fisherman to illegally dump them? Lure some horny sailors transporting catfish into a reef, thus freeing them? Purchase an AD on google for Hot Catfish singles in your area, but the area is the eco system you want to target? Doesn't even need to be catfish. Thats just the first invasive species I thought of.
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– Shadowzee
yesterday
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Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
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Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
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– Harper
yesterday
5
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"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
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– chasly from UK
yesterday
1
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@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
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– Shadowzee
yesterday
2
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@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
yesterday
3
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK You bit them on the tail and drag them over? steal the babies and take them over? Steal the eggs and take them over? Pay a fisherman to illegally dump them? Lure some horny sailors transporting catfish into a reef, thus freeing them? Purchase an AD on google for Hot Catfish singles in your area, but the area is the eco system you want to target? Doesn't even need to be catfish. Thats just the first invasive species I thought of.
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– Shadowzee
yesterday
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show 2 more comments
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Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
$endgroup$
Your super smart Salmon want to cause chaos so what they do is abduct highly aggressive species and forcefully migrate them into environments where they have an abundance of food and not many natural predators.
Eventually the ecosystem in these areas are ruined leading to a collapse in the supply of seafood causing seafood prices to spike and the lack of diversity causes tourists to avoid the area leading to the general decline of coastal towns.
answered yesterday
ShadowzeeShadowzee
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Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
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– Harper
yesterday
5
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"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
yesterday
2
$begingroup$
@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
yesterday
3
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK You bit them on the tail and drag them over? steal the babies and take them over? Steal the eggs and take them over? Pay a fisherman to illegally dump them? Lure some horny sailors transporting catfish into a reef, thus freeing them? Purchase an AD on google for Hot Catfish singles in your area, but the area is the eco system you want to target? Doesn't even need to be catfish. Thats just the first invasive species I thought of.
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– Shadowzee
yesterday
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Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
$endgroup$
– Harper
yesterday
5
$begingroup$
"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
yesterday
2
$begingroup$
@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
yesterday
3
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK You bit them on the tail and drag them over? steal the babies and take them over? Steal the eggs and take them over? Pay a fisherman to illegally dump them? Lure some horny sailors transporting catfish into a reef, thus freeing them? Purchase an AD on google for Hot Catfish singles in your area, but the area is the eco system you want to target? Doesn't even need to be catfish. Thats just the first invasive species I thought of.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
yesterday
1
1
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Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
$endgroup$
– Harper
yesterday
$begingroup$
Maybe they only need to move the eggs.
$endgroup$
– Harper
yesterday
5
5
$begingroup$
"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
yesterday
$begingroup$
"abduct highly aggressive species" Um ... won't the aggressive species just eat the salmon?
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
yesterday
1
1
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
yesterday
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK The super smart salmon are also highly aggressive and smarter. They only need to abduct what they can manage and repeat it until they have achieve their desired results. Eggs, Infants and full adult species are all fair game.
$endgroup$
– Shadowzee
yesterday
2
2
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@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
yesterday
$begingroup$
@Shadowzee - So why don't they just move to these areas themselves and do their own job of ruining the ecosystem? It's a lot easier than trying to abduct unintelligent aggressive fish who don't want to leave!
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
yesterday
3
3
$begingroup$
@chaslyfromUK You bit them on the tail and drag them over? steal the babies and take them over? Steal the eggs and take them over? Pay a fisherman to illegally dump them? Lure some horny sailors transporting catfish into a reef, thus freeing them? Purchase an AD on google for Hot Catfish singles in your area, but the area is the eco system you want to target? Doesn't even need to be catfish. Thats just the first invasive species I thought of.
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– Shadowzee
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@chaslyfromUK You bit them on the tail and drag them over? steal the babies and take them over? Steal the eggs and take them over? Pay a fisherman to illegally dump them? Lure some horny sailors transporting catfish into a reef, thus freeing them? Purchase an AD on google for Hot Catfish singles in your area, but the area is the eco system you want to target? Doesn't even need to be catfish. Thats just the first invasive species I thought of.
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Well, I'm sorry to say, but the world as you know it, is in deeper trouble than you think. The fishes just need to follow a simple 2-step process.
Step 1: Try get back into a human body.
Given that "The business of mind storage [has] become a profitable one", it would be fair to assume that the technology to do so would be fairly easily accessible. So our fishes just need to find an ally, and convey to them that they need to be transferred to a human body!
The ally could be their evil friends outside prison who are still escaping the law-enforcement, or could be a rogue nation who wants to hurt rest of the world. I'm sure the fishes have had enough time to identify potential help, and ways to communicate their message.
Step 2: Cause mayhem (with your human bodies)!
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They could potentially even dupe someone into thinking they were innocents trapped in the fish bodies. If they can figure out a good way to communicate (scratching in the dirt, nosing letters on a tablet, etc)
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– GrandmasterB
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Well, I'm sorry to say, but the world as you know it, is in deeper trouble than you think. The fishes just need to follow a simple 2-step process.
Step 1: Try get back into a human body.
Given that "The business of mind storage [has] become a profitable one", it would be fair to assume that the technology to do so would be fairly easily accessible. So our fishes just need to find an ally, and convey to them that they need to be transferred to a human body!
The ally could be their evil friends outside prison who are still escaping the law-enforcement, or could be a rogue nation who wants to hurt rest of the world. I'm sure the fishes have had enough time to identify potential help, and ways to communicate their message.
Step 2: Cause mayhem (with your human bodies)!
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They could potentially even dupe someone into thinking they were innocents trapped in the fish bodies. If they can figure out a good way to communicate (scratching in the dirt, nosing letters on a tablet, etc)
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– GrandmasterB
4 hours ago
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Well, I'm sorry to say, but the world as you know it, is in deeper trouble than you think. The fishes just need to follow a simple 2-step process.
Step 1: Try get back into a human body.
Given that "The business of mind storage [has] become a profitable one", it would be fair to assume that the technology to do so would be fairly easily accessible. So our fishes just need to find an ally, and convey to them that they need to be transferred to a human body!
The ally could be their evil friends outside prison who are still escaping the law-enforcement, or could be a rogue nation who wants to hurt rest of the world. I'm sure the fishes have had enough time to identify potential help, and ways to communicate their message.
Step 2: Cause mayhem (with your human bodies)!
New contributor
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Well, I'm sorry to say, but the world as you know it, is in deeper trouble than you think. The fishes just need to follow a simple 2-step process.
Step 1: Try get back into a human body.
Given that "The business of mind storage [has] become a profitable one", it would be fair to assume that the technology to do so would be fairly easily accessible. So our fishes just need to find an ally, and convey to them that they need to be transferred to a human body!
The ally could be their evil friends outside prison who are still escaping the law-enforcement, or could be a rogue nation who wants to hurt rest of the world. I'm sure the fishes have had enough time to identify potential help, and ways to communicate their message.
Step 2: Cause mayhem (with your human bodies)!
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answered 5 hours ago
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They could potentially even dupe someone into thinking they were innocents trapped in the fish bodies. If they can figure out a good way to communicate (scratching in the dirt, nosing letters on a tablet, etc)
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– GrandmasterB
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They could potentially even dupe someone into thinking they were innocents trapped in the fish bodies. If they can figure out a good way to communicate (scratching in the dirt, nosing letters on a tablet, etc)
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– GrandmasterB
4 hours ago
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They could potentially even dupe someone into thinking they were innocents trapped in the fish bodies. If they can figure out a good way to communicate (scratching in the dirt, nosing letters on a tablet, etc)
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– GrandmasterB
4 hours ago
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They could potentially even dupe someone into thinking they were innocents trapped in the fish bodies. If they can figure out a good way to communicate (scratching in the dirt, nosing letters on a tablet, etc)
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– GrandmasterB
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Taste great, and incalculably and capriciously be sometimes extremely poisonous (which seems to be dependent on what you eat as a fish in some cases)...
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When the mayhem I can cause as a criminal salmon hinges entirely on my ability to commit suicide in a specific manner (being caught by fishermen and sold to a grocery/restaurant or be otherwise made available for human consumption)... well the end result is a far cry from the strategies that trigger nuclear war.
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– Roddy of the Frozen Peas
11 hours ago
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Taste great, and incalculably and capriciously be sometimes extremely poisonous (which seems to be dependent on what you eat as a fish in some cases)...
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When the mayhem I can cause as a criminal salmon hinges entirely on my ability to commit suicide in a specific manner (being caught by fishermen and sold to a grocery/restaurant or be otherwise made available for human consumption)... well the end result is a far cry from the strategies that trigger nuclear war.
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– Roddy of the Frozen Peas
11 hours ago
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Taste great, and incalculably and capriciously be sometimes extremely poisonous (which seems to be dependent on what you eat as a fish in some cases)...
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Taste great, and incalculably and capriciously be sometimes extremely poisonous (which seems to be dependent on what you eat as a fish in some cases)...
answered 12 hours ago
rackandbonemanrackandboneman
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When the mayhem I can cause as a criminal salmon hinges entirely on my ability to commit suicide in a specific manner (being caught by fishermen and sold to a grocery/restaurant or be otherwise made available for human consumption)... well the end result is a far cry from the strategies that trigger nuclear war.
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– Roddy of the Frozen Peas
11 hours ago
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When the mayhem I can cause as a criminal salmon hinges entirely on my ability to commit suicide in a specific manner (being caught by fishermen and sold to a grocery/restaurant or be otherwise made available for human consumption)... well the end result is a far cry from the strategies that trigger nuclear war.
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– Roddy of the Frozen Peas
11 hours ago
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When the mayhem I can cause as a criminal salmon hinges entirely on my ability to commit suicide in a specific manner (being caught by fishermen and sold to a grocery/restaurant or be otherwise made available for human consumption)... well the end result is a far cry from the strategies that trigger nuclear war.
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– Roddy of the Frozen Peas
11 hours ago
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When the mayhem I can cause as a criminal salmon hinges entirely on my ability to commit suicide in a specific manner (being caught by fishermen and sold to a grocery/restaurant or be otherwise made available for human consumption)... well the end result is a far cry from the strategies that trigger nuclear war.
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– Roddy of the Frozen Peas
11 hours ago
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– L.Dutch♦
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This may or may not be relevant, but for a salmon, swimming up a river as an adult is a one-way "suicide" mission. They then spawn and die. The do not survive to return to salt-water. It's sea-trout that can swim between salt and fresh water repeatedly and with no ill effects.
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Fish jumping outside of watter can easly stun a man. Target yatch, politics and celebrities. If you can get a lion fish poisonous fin.. Aim the carotid. No one will see you comming.
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Are kamikaze/suicide attacks possible, or they refuse to die for the cause? There are sunken ships all around the world full of ammunition. Messing with one of them can cause serious trouble. Blow up the one in London, maybe along with a few others around the same time, and people will blame some terrorist group for the attacks.
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– Nyos
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Should we assume these fish can communicate with each other fluently? And if so, is communicating to humans possible?
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– rek
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